Fire extinguisher
#46
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Originally Posted by F4GIB
One question for those who have installed the extinguisher on the front of the passenger seat. Does it interfere with passenger comfort? Do women passengers complain about runs in their hose, etc? What is the second best location?
Side note: the setup has never limited seat movement in any way. Manual seats, YMMV
#47
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"revlimiter" HA! HA! HA! cracks me up.
So I am not the only one that hears: " Now don't go too fast", or "Slow down",
all day long. Sheesh !!! Drives me up the damned wall. I want to stop and let them drive, but we would never get there. Isn't that why wine was invented? I say: " Here drink a couple of bottles of this stuff and STFU !!"
Ah bachelorhood.
So I am not the only one that hears: " Now don't go too fast", or "Slow down",
all day long. Sheesh !!! Drives me up the damned wall. I want to stop and let them drive, but we would never get there. Isn't that why wine was invented? I say: " Here drink a couple of bottles of this stuff and STFU !!"
Ah bachelorhood.
#48
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Had to finish putting out the fire on my car with water! 2.5 lb FE was not enough, raising the hood was the only way to get to the loacation of the fire and yes it does flare up when you do this, can we say chimney! Took repeated trips with a five gallon bucket to get it exstinguished, but when your shark is on fire, well you will do whatever it takes to at least save some of it. I carry two FE's now. A 2.5 pounder up front and a 5 ponuder in the back, where I would be going anyway to pull the ground strap on the battery.
#50
Originally Posted by SharkSkin
Thus, my elaborate solution above to lower the mounting position of the extinguisher, eliminate protrusions from the top, and rotate the handle out of the way.
#52
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Originally Posted by Ron_H
"revlimiter" HA! HA! HA! cracks me up.
So I am not the only one that hears: " Now don't go too fast", or "Slow down",
all day long. Sheesh !!! Drives me up the damned wall. I want to stop and let them drive, but we would never get there. Isn't that why wine was invented? I say: " Here drink a couple of bottles of this stuff and STFU !!"
Ah bachelorhood.
So I am not the only one that hears: " Now don't go too fast", or "Slow down",
all day long. Sheesh !!! Drives me up the damned wall. I want to stop and let them drive, but we would never get there. Isn't that why wine was invented? I say: " Here drink a couple of bottles of this stuff and STFU !!"
Ah bachelorhood.
#53
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Well, I don't consume the stuff myself, or any other alcohol. But I know a female who whines about speed but consumes large quantities of wine. Maybe she has found wine an acceptable way to kill herself; just wish she would not try to influence my activities, and wine in her seems to fulfill that objective.
#54
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Mounted my fire extinguisher today!
Difficult to decide where to mount, as there are pros and cons for all possible locations. I opted for the position behind the passenger front seat, on the bracket below the rear seat.
This location is out of the way, easy to reach, and requires no irreversible modification on the shark.
It is also behind shark's CG, which is good, remember, all small things eventually add up..
But, it will interfere with usage of rear seat.
My second choice was the tools panel in the trunk rear end, but mounting here requires drilling in to the panel.
Difficult to decide where to mount, as there are pros and cons for all possible locations. I opted for the position behind the passenger front seat, on the bracket below the rear seat.
This location is out of the way, easy to reach, and requires no irreversible modification on the shark.
It is also behind shark's CG, which is good, remember, all small things eventually add up..
But, it will interfere with usage of rear seat.
My second choice was the tools panel in the trunk rear end, but mounting here requires drilling in to the panel.
#56
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Cheap dry-chem (I guess) extinguisher, from Biltema, the 'Wal-Mart' of Scandinavian automotive. I do not know if Halon is for sale here anymore. I will check that right now.
And, yes, it is easy to move the extinguisher to the trunk if someone wants to sit there. Nice for children, they also like the shark, but adults must be related to Houdini to get in, and now I am not talking about comfort level, just to get in..
And, yes, it is easy to move the extinguisher to the trunk if someone wants to sit there. Nice for children, they also like the shark, but adults must be related to Houdini to get in, and now I am not talking about comfort level, just to get in..
#57
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Halon is not legal anymore, exemptions for special applications like aircraft through year 2007.
Alternatives seems to be dry cemical, foam or CO2. Foam and CO2 seems to require larger volumes for same performance.
Alternatives seems to be dry cemical, foam or CO2. Foam and CO2 seems to require larger volumes for same performance.
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Okv, Halon is now heavily resricted here. The replacement is Halotron. It works basicly the same, is safer for the environment, and I'm not sure whether it is more or less safe for people.
As Mark posted earlier in this thread, dry chemical makes a horrible mess and corrodes anything metal it contacts.
As Mark posted earlier in this thread, dry chemical makes a horrible mess and corrodes anything metal it contacts.
#59
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromochlorodifluoromethane
Bromochlorodifluoromethane, also known by the trade name Halon 1211, or BCF, or Halon 1211 BCF, or Freon 12B1, is a haloalkane with the chemical formula is CF2ClBr.
Brominated halogens were first used during World War II as fire extinguisher for aircraft and tanks. Bromochlorodifluoromethane was introduced as an effective gaseous fire suppression agent around 1973 for use around highly valuable materials in places such as museums, mainframe rooms, and telecommunication switching centers. Its advantages as a fire extinguishing agent was that it had lower toxicity than chemicals such as carbon tetrachloride, and that since it was a covalently bonded compound, it did not form conductive ions which made it usable on electrical equipment.
The production of bromochlorodifluoromethane and similar chlorofluorocarbons has been banned in most countries since January 1, 1994 as part of the Montreal Protocol on ozone depleting substances.
This is a volatile extinguishant that should be used only with a breathing apparatus (when volume exceeds 5%).
BUT
Is still easily purchased. I got my extinguisher ane seat mounting at OG Racing earlier this year.
http://www.ogracing.com/eshop/home.asp?categ=53
Michael
Bromochlorodifluoromethane, also known by the trade name Halon 1211, or BCF, or Halon 1211 BCF, or Freon 12B1, is a haloalkane with the chemical formula is CF2ClBr.
Brominated halogens were first used during World War II as fire extinguisher for aircraft and tanks. Bromochlorodifluoromethane was introduced as an effective gaseous fire suppression agent around 1973 for use around highly valuable materials in places such as museums, mainframe rooms, and telecommunication switching centers. Its advantages as a fire extinguishing agent was that it had lower toxicity than chemicals such as carbon tetrachloride, and that since it was a covalently bonded compound, it did not form conductive ions which made it usable on electrical equipment.
The production of bromochlorodifluoromethane and similar chlorofluorocarbons has been banned in most countries since January 1, 1994 as part of the Montreal Protocol on ozone depleting substances.
This is a volatile extinguishant that should be used only with a breathing apparatus (when volume exceeds 5%).
BUT
Is still easily purchased. I got my extinguisher ane seat mounting at OG Racing earlier this year.
http://www.ogracing.com/eshop/home.asp?categ=53
Michael
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Yes Halon1211 is still quite widely avalable (from reclaim) even though no longer produced.
Halotron is more environmentally friendly but Halon 1211 is almost twice as effective. So approx 5lb of Halotron is needed to be as efective as my 2.5Lb bottle of Halon1211.
In adddition probably the instantaneous effectiveness is better with Halon since the discharge rate is presumably not double for Halotron (my speculation..?)
I have a BK quick release mount too - but the seat mouting from Bk seems very lame to me - why mount the extinguisher to the fixed seat rails? seems stupid to me! I customized the mount to the underside of the moveable part of the seat its tight to the front of the seat and not in anyones way...
I've had no complaints...
Alan
Halotron is more environmentally friendly but Halon 1211 is almost twice as effective. So approx 5lb of Halotron is needed to be as efective as my 2.5Lb bottle of Halon1211.
In adddition probably the instantaneous effectiveness is better with Halon since the discharge rate is presumably not double for Halotron (my speculation..?)
I have a BK quick release mount too - but the seat mouting from Bk seems very lame to me - why mount the extinguisher to the fixed seat rails? seems stupid to me! I customized the mount to the underside of the moveable part of the seat its tight to the front of the seat and not in anyones way...
I've had no complaints...
Alan