macreel

Tigershark... no, keep going. We enjoy hearing from "the
other side". Besides, maybe you're on the job, cold &
bored, watching the I95,typing to us, ... and some others
of us are tooling down the road, getting away with somethin'.

Nah, not likely.

Thnx for your comments.

G'luck.

nickg

been there...done that, got off the ticket. My Brother is a state tropper and he told me to do it, I did and when the tape was run, both he (the judge) and the prosecutor saw that I was right and the ticket was tossed, perhaps i was lucky.

Royal Tiger

Thanks for your reply. I have one problem with basing speed on the vehicle. Anyone can buy a nice car. I can't afford a new GT2, but I could probably out drive most who can. The main problem with the US, it the citizens themselves. Getting, and holding a license should be much harder and demand more attention and responsibility. We can't have an Autobahn despite some of the best open roads in the world. Why? We would rack up the carnange as idiots do 105 in a Malibu or Taurus while calling thier frinds on a cell and changing the radio stations. Then we drive up at 125 and they move left with no turn signal. It's an endless debate, but one I see no way around. Maybe a "blue route" with lanes or even better roads only accesible by people of higher ability. You would need your special blue license to open the gates and would know only those of your ilk are driving around you. Expensive solution.

Royal Tiger

See this is good. I'm a 928 mole in the field of blue....! Working from the inside! I truly am enjoying myself. I'll have to get to a Sharkfest event and meet some of you guys.

MGW-Fla

I'm thinkin we need to help find a way to somehow get you into your very own 928 way before 2007 Tigershark!

m21sniper

If it was just one instance, we probably wouldn't be whining about it.

The fact is, there are a lot of dirty cops, especially in big cities, and even a 'good cop' having a bad day can really F you up good.

Royal Tiger

New Orleans, pre-Katrina is a good example. They were paid around $17,500 a year and no one could figure out why they were corupt. Here's the rub. Police work is a tough job. Mentally and physically, not to mention emotionally. Ever tell a parent their kid is dead? I have. Ever get shot at, beat up, head crushed with a rock? I have. Ever stop a car for blowing a light by 8 car lengths and almost t-bone a car only to be told off by the idiot driver? I have. My point is not I need a medal, I love my job. But in big cities were the stress is higher, the pay is lower, and the clientlel more "ethnic", you have people who just don't have the mental capacity to handle the job. Add it to a infastructure that demands results, but won't back you up for hurting someones feelings by pointing out they are a waste of carbon and oxygen. Now m21, that is an intresting name. I only assume you may have been a sniper with USA or USMC. Does eveyone in BDU's have the ability to be a sniper? Of course not. I truly feel bad by people who are honestly done wrong by police, but even if 2% of the 3.5 million police are bad, there are 70,000 bad cops ruining your day all over America. I can take the critisism, but I wish everyone had the oppertunity to ride along in a city and see the real America once in a while. I hope I'm not being seen as egotistical as I'm a truly nice guy. I try to be nice and curtious to those I see day to day. But some people don't deserve it. I'll end my rant.

Royal Tiger

P.S. I know I shouldn't have to say this, and I don't feel it's necessary but if anyone doubts my credentials I have no problem meeting a local member to prove it. No chip, but some people do pretend to be what they are not, and I want to be viewed by you all as genuine.

Royal Tiger

MGW-Fla, thanks. It'll be a 1987-1991 S4 or GT (not sure if I want a 5 speed or not) black over tan then maybe Guards red over tan or black. Silver over gray would be a distant 3rd. I look here and Autotrader everyday and dream. I was playing with the idea of a 944 or 968, especially a 968 cabriolet, but I love the Shark and it would be my first choice.

Ron_H

I must agree that it is the people who are responsible for our system. Though they have been lied to by vested interests, ultimately they are responsible to ask if what they are told is correct and accurate thinking. As for referring to Tigershark as "on the other side", I must respectfully take issue with that viewpoint. Of course it is partly semantics, but the police are put in the position of taking the flak for some awful policy. Drug enforcement for instance. The system is designed to create viewing them as responsible for the law when in fact they didn't make it. They just take the heat. Of course some are a few cells short of a moron, but they are not all police. The people are responsible especially in the USA where we do in fact have a participatory democracy. As they say, if the people will lead, the leaders will follow. Just imagine if just 25% of the people cited for exceeding the posted speed limits contested their citations. Currently only 3% contest them, while the rest prefer to take the path of least inconvenience to them and allow the injustice to continue.

The German police on the autobahns have an entirely different position than the police in the USA, (generalizing of course). Nicole, isn't that correct? And the slaughter of which we are warned does NOT exist. But the slaughter did increase when the speed limits were re-instated in Montana. Go figure. As Ayn Rand stated: "Check your premises. One of them is wrong".

My point? We are responsible for allowing this medieval attitude to continue. The people of this country stopped the Vietnam war. ( I don't take a stand one way or the other on that one.) The point is we have the power unlike other countries. No pain, no gain. Rant and rave. Make sacrifices. There is no free lunch. Write your congressperson as trite as that seems. Give up an afternoon watching TV. We are blessed with the privilege of that freedom to chew out our government and scold them for their errant ways. And remember, no matter how physically or mentally capable the police may be, they can always be mistaken, and laws can be emotionally and illogically founded. Tigershark has admitted to that trait. That's why we have dispassionate legal remedies.

One officer, after having chased my 911 at +135 on a freeway while on his Harley, and losing me, said: "Don't ever do that again in front of me; go out late at night when no one else is on the freeway and do it then." Of course he said that after finding me later, and we became friends. His point was I had put him between a rock and a hard place and I didn't even know he was behind me at the time. Change the attitude and the laws, and that "place" would vaporize and be no more. Both of us knew it wasn't unsafe to do what I did if the conditions were not compromising. But he was also under scrutiny by the idiocy of the "system" or archaic "laws". We can change those laws and the way they are administered. We are Americans.

Royal Tiger

Some valid points, but ask anyone who has driven in South Jersey or Philadelphia if the roads can support 125 at anytime other then 2 am on a Sunday. Montana, Colorado, Utah, etc... could do it, but we couldn't here. I remember reading that there are more people living from Boston to Washington, DC then all of US west of the Mississippi River. In Germany they do have a speed limit more times then not anymore. And they are fanatical over tailgating as opposed to outright speed. But again, the enforcing of a standard. Without, there is anarchy. Anyone who thinks we could have open season on every road in America is short cited. As in Europe we could lessen the belts so to speak in specific locations and under certain circumstances, but not carte blanche across the board.

Ron_H

Of course, all things are relative. And all roads and conditions are not equal. There was once in the far away land of utopia-ville a concept called "basic speed laws", which demanded "safe for conditions" test for speed. We still have it in California (except on the freeways where it is needed most), but the engineering studies are often deliberately falsified or incorrectly administered to result in a slower than safe for conditions speed on particular sections of roadways where revenue is more important than safety and efficiency. But the police don't conduct the studies, and cite according to the posted limits. Since the "safe for conditions" speeds are ofter considerably higher than the posted limits, there is injustice lurking. I have prevailed in a case where the safe for conditions speed was 63 mph according to the engineers,and the posted speed limit was 45 mph and contrary to the recommended speed in the report. The police were not aware of the report nor were they aware of the flaws therein. That, according to the California Dept or Transpotation, results in a "disrespect for the law and creation of a disproportionate number of violators" who had not approached the danger realms. Who is responsible for that? Caltrans knows about it and now, so does the court. Guess what hasn't changed since the appeals verdict reversing the conviction? Sleep well tonight thinking of who is responsible if an irate driver in a fartmobile decides to make some irrational moves in defiance of a rightfully perceived low limit and crashes into your daughter's car.

MGW-Fla

Hmmm you sure you wanna risk having one in "ARREST ME RED" there Officer Sir? Hey.... I want an 87-91 S4 or GT myself!! I also love the 968 cab, GREAT lookin car indeed..... I've eyed them on various levels of seriousness over the past five years, & would STILL take one, but NOT over my 928! After having a 911 cab for five years and now my shark for about 18 months... I'll take a 928 probably even over my 1990 911 cab as great a car as it was..... cant say just why 'cept that a 928 is just special. It grows on ya & becomes quite addicting.... and I guess the comradary of this bunch of great people here on Rennlist helps alot too! I know I could not have one without the help I've received so far along with the continued education of reading all the words of wisdom on here.

Royal Tiger

Not sure about your last sentance. Seems like you are on both sides with that one. And of course we are not considering drunks and other people under the influence of narcotics.

Royal Tiger

Sorry MGW, that was for Ron. Red won't bother me! I'm now intrigued with the idea of a custom yellow one!