Has anyone ever been killed in a 928?
02-08-2005, 11:08 PM
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Harvey,
I think I remember reading an article about how a good number of hussein's cars were destroyed by U.S. bombing. This included a very rare and beatiful Mercedes 500K , IIRC.
I think I remember reading an article about how a good number of hussein's cars were destroyed by U.S. bombing. This included a very rare and beatiful Mercedes 500K , IIRC.
02-08-2005, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim bailey - 928 International
I think most have seen the crash dummy tests on TV . It is worth noting that the Insurance Institute offset frontal crash where 40 % of the front end hits a DEFORMABLE aluminum honeycomb barrier (it crushes like another car) the HIGH SPEED test is done at 40 MPH yes that is it 40 mph into a soft barrier!! The NHTSA feds "high speed "test into a fixed rigid barrier for full frontal impact into a SOLID wall at the amazing speed of 35 MPH ! The test facility for the NHTSA has the capability of testing up to about 75 MPH but there is little point it simply is not survivable. So the tests you see on TV are typically happening at 40 MPH into a soft barrier. Now what was that formula about the energy involved going up based on speed ???
It is all dumbed down for the uneducated consumer- leaving him/her just as uneducated. Then, when the airbag deploys there is much surprise over its force. After all, it can reach speeds of up to 200mph when if flies out on the passenger side... Suddenly that "cute soft cushion" mangles the legs that have been resting comfortably on the dashboard. Or the arm that held the steering wheel in such a cool way (top middle). And off we are to the lawyers...
I agree, Jim, that high speed impacts get to a point where they are not survivable - but it all depends on the type of colission. If you just bounce between guardrails, you might survive an accident that started at 200mph. But if you hit a concrete barrier, 50mph are likely to leave you brain damaged or dead. It's the impact, not the speed at which something went wrong.
In that sense it was funny that the hiway patrol officer lectured me about frontal crashes on 101 killing people and me going 86 being so fast. He had been flying towards me at minimum 100mph seconds earlier. In a frontal crash with a truch - his example - we both would not have survived.
02-09-2005, 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 928andRC51
I know for a fact that I have LIVED in the 928.
Life is short, and the days that are not memorable don't count.
Life is short, and the days that are not memorable don't count.
I cleaned up those kinds of messes for about 3 years while in college. I won't get into detailed descriptions, but blood visible in the pic(or not) is very little indication of what kind of shape the occupants were in. I've picked up a wreck with blood all over the interior -- and the occupant was fine except for a gash in the hand... they rode with me to the shop. I've picked up a number of wrecks where there was little or no blood on the interior but the occupant was picked up from a number of locations in the vicinity of the vehicle. Without the full story it's hard to even speculate with any degree of accuracy about the condition of the occupant(s). Sometimes when you're standing there up close you can see where elbows or knees impacted interior parts but even then you can rarely tell whether it resulted in a bruise or major trauma like Nicole described.
As for the folded ROW shark above, there's not much you can say for sure, except that if the occupants survived(if there even WERE occupants) it must have hurt. The only clues I can see to support that there even was an occupant are the clean "Jaws-of-Life" cuts. BTW, I seem to recall that pic was from Australia.
02-09-2005, 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by bcdavis
And regarding the 928 with the side damage, it reminds me of a story of an Audi, that was circulating the internet recently. It was a series of pictures of an Audi that had gone off the freeway, and hit a tree. The car was in many pieces, as well as the occupants. So considering that is considered a pretty safe new model car, with tons of airbags, etc, it still came apart when it hit a big tree. So the fact that the 928 stayed in one piece, tells me that it may be stronger than the Audi. It still might not save you, but you'd stand a better chance than if the car comes apart like that Audi did...
02-09-2005, 07:47 AM
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I know that car as I took the photo as such that badly bent 928 is from Australia, Queensland if anybody knows where that is? I now own the gearbox and engine, the gearbox is in my car, it is perfect BTW. The engine I have rebuilt and are currently contemplating engine mods for more power, just had all the steel bits plated, that should be good for another 5 hp!
I cant see how anybody, especially the driver could survive such an enormous impact. Not just the G force but the physical force, the drivers seat was squashed.
I cant see how anybody, especially the driver could survive such an enormous impact. Not just the G force but the physical force, the drivers seat was squashed.
02-09-2005, 09:10 AM
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I know that car as I took the photo as such that badly bent 928 is from Australia, Queensland
02-10-2005, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Greg Gray
I know that car as I took the photo as such that badly bent 928 is from Australia, Queensland if anybody knows where that is? I now own the gearbox and engine, the gearbox is in my car, it is perfect BTW. The engine I have rebuilt and are currently contemplating engine mods for more power, just had all the steel bits plated, that should be good for another 5 hp!
I cant see how anybody, especially the driver could survive such an enormous impact. Not just the G force but the physical force, the drivers seat was squashed.
I cant see how anybody, especially the driver could survive such an enormous impact. Not just the G force but the physical force, the drivers seat was squashed.
02-10-2005, 05:17 PM
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scary photos... saw a speedvision piece on nascar and F1 crash proofing - think thats where the crumple zone stuff came into being as the cars were surviving high speed wrecks but drivers not so lucky... new rules require crumple zones around the cage to absorb the impacts, but on a track most wrecks are rarely into trees or other hard nasty stuff like that... think saturns are designed w/crumple strategies, so if you want to crash something hard after a few drinks, guess you better "borrow" or rent(get the extra ins. too) a saturn for the evening... hate to see a shark trashed... 
it's the sudden stop for sure that'll get you... I've walked away from some pretty twisted wreckage w/out a scratch - insane ski wrecks, a 2 story fall, hang glider crashes, lots of bikes/but 1 car only...then 1 day, a hard landing on a bike and bang - shattered vertabrae, and the bike was in perfect shape! guess it was payback for all the twisted metal...
it's the sudden stop for sure that'll get you... I've walked away from some pretty twisted wreckage w/out a scratch - insane ski wrecks, a 2 story fall, hang glider crashes, lots of bikes/but 1 car only...then 1 day, a hard landing on a bike and bang - shattered vertabrae, and the bike was in perfect shape! guess it was payback for all the twisted metal...
02-10-2005, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicole
Well said! And in the end it does not matter what the car looks like after the accident - it matters what the passengers look like!
I have clients who are Personal Injury lawyers. One time I was in their offices and noticed a display with a Cadillac Escalade that had slight front damage. It looked kind of like what you'd expect from a fender bender. However, the interior picture showed that the airbags had deployed.
Puzzled about this, I asked them what happened. Well, apparently, the SUV had a colission in which it did not crumple much, but decelerated very hard. The airbag deployed, but nevertheless the driver - a grandmother - slipped forward in her seat enough to hit the dashboard very hard with her knees (this is something that can be avoided easily with proper seat design).
Anyway, the knee damage that lady offered was so severe that she needed two knee replacements and even a year later was not able to walk much, let alone participate in any activities with her husband or grandchildren. I'm not sure who was sued and why, but it reminded me once agan that a steel frame design might be good for a vehicle to survive, but not necessarily for the passengers. One of the [many] reasons why I think SUVs are not very safe.
I have clients who are Personal Injury lawyers. One time I was in their offices and noticed a display with a Cadillac Escalade that had slight front damage. It looked kind of like what you'd expect from a fender bender. However, the interior picture showed that the airbags had deployed.
Puzzled about this, I asked them what happened. Well, apparently, the SUV had a colission in which it did not crumple much, but decelerated very hard. The airbag deployed, but nevertheless the driver - a grandmother - slipped forward in her seat enough to hit the dashboard very hard with her knees (this is something that can be avoided easily with proper seat design).
Anyway, the knee damage that lady offered was so severe that she needed two knee replacements and even a year later was not able to walk much, let alone participate in any activities with her husband or grandchildren. I'm not sure who was sued and why, but it reminded me once agan that a steel frame design might be good for a vehicle to survive, but not necessarily for the passengers. One of the [many] reasons why I think SUVs are not very safe.
We had a 78 Impala bounce off the front of our Expedition at 30 mph. We were setting still. The impala was a total loss. We needed minor bumper repair. I bought that truck for the Safety of my dear wife and our precious three. How's that for safe?
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02-11-2005, 12:17 AM
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Anyone remember an NHL goalie by the name of Pelle Lindberg? Back in the mid 80s he was a goalie for Philly and apparently died when he crashed his porsche... not sure if it was a 928 though...
