Motor mount replacement
07-30-2004, 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Deb
The locating pin on the Ford mounts is smaller in diameter than the OEM but I've not heard of any negative impacts and just finished doing mine using Ford mounts - saw no concern.
Do a search for Ford MMts, there are many board members here who have used the Ford mounts and I'm not aware of any complaints over a number of years of use, however I seem to recall some complaints - short life span- with OEM units.
It may be possible that your wrench is able to turn more of a profit using OEM's?
Do a search for Ford MMts, there are many board members here who have used the Ford mounts and I'm not aware of any complaints over a number of years of use, however I seem to recall some complaints - short life span- with OEM units.
It may be possible that your wrench is able to turn more of a profit using OEM's?
I don't know of anyone that has used the Ford mount for more than 2-3 years. The subject first came around February of 2001.
Which mount did you use? Anchor 2696 or 2698? 2696 is a tranny mount for a Tempo. 2698 is a motor mount for for a V6 and a couple of 4-cyl motors. Either are slightly shorter than the P* mount unloaded and may compress more when loaded. You might want to observe where you oil pan bottom sits relative to the cross-member - it should not be below it.
As to failures, there have been reports of such with the Ford mount. Yes, a couple of recent P* mounts were reported to have leaked too. I replaced the mounts on my 89 after 13 years. They weren't completely shot, but as I needed to do the oil pan gasket, I did them while I was in there.
07-30-2004, 03:01 AM
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The major expense in this job is the labor. Don't skimp on the parts with something else that might fit but hasn't been verified to be able to carry a big V-8 motor over time. In general I would have no problem with an aftermarket part that was designed for the application.
07-30-2004, 09:37 AM
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Perry -
Do what YOU are comfortable with. I used the OEM mounts at the Devek sale price and never looked back. No problems what-so-ever. Some people like to save some bucks on their 928, others are more comforatble with OEM and don't mind spending the extra money for it. There's room in the 928 world for both.
Do what YOU are comfortable with. I used the OEM mounts at the Devek sale price and never looked back. No problems what-so-ever. Some people like to save some bucks on their 928, others are more comforatble with OEM and don't mind spending the extra money for it. There's room in the 928 world for both.
07-30-2004, 10:02 AM
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Bill- interesting & thanks.
I have been watching this topic on Rennlist for a couple of years and not run across any failure reports for the Anchor, and but one (short term) for the OEM. I will say that noone using the Anchors has reported that they can see any more compression with them than with the OEM mounts.
As to which lasts longer, only time will tell. My OEM were shot after 10 years, it just took me a couple more to recognize it.
I wold not want to do this every 2 years, but every 5 might be acceptable- and I use Porsche (not just OEM) wheneveravailable- I don't even like using non-original fasteners. The OEM mounts are simply outrageously priced. Cheers,
I have been watching this topic on Rennlist for a couple of years and not run across any failure reports for the Anchor, and but one (short term) for the OEM. I will say that noone using the Anchors has reported that they can see any more compression with them than with the OEM mounts.
As to which lasts longer, only time will tell. My OEM were shot after 10 years, it just took me a couple more to recognize it.
I wold not want to do this every 2 years, but every 5 might be acceptable- and I use Porsche (not just OEM) wheneveravailable- I don't even like using non-original fasteners. The OEM mounts are simply outrageously priced. Cheers,
07-30-2004, 01:03 PM
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There was one mention of an Anchor failure at 1 year provided by Ed Ruiz a while back on the email list - an indirect reference to another P owner. I can't recall more than 2 or 3 P* mounts that proved defective (leaked early). Considering how long and how many P* mounts have been used relative to Anchor in 928s, I can't see anything favoring the Anchor mount other than they are cheap. In fact, I've seen the 2696 quoted at $13. I can't imagine there is much inside that mount in terms of hardware. The late model P* mount is engineered with dual cavities and valves. Certainly, if the Anchor were an OEM equivalent, I'd have no problem with it at all, especially if there was some performance issue with the P* mount. I have no problem with inexpensive alternatives. As long as the owners monitor the mount condition (P* or Anchor) this is a judgment call each person makes.
07-30-2004, 04:25 PM
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OEM Vs. Anchor
Bill, as you said -it's up to each owner to make his/her decision and go with it.
In my case I was given the Ford mounts and based on the reports on this BB and other individuals I chose to use same. If I were purchasing mounts I'd have some difficulty coming up with a rationale that would support a 10 x price factor between the two given the reports we have all seen.
There comes a point whether it's sailboat equipment or A Porsche part that you have to question just how much difference is there between two items, are you paying for the "prestige" of the name or is there really, in this case, a 1000% or even 500% difference in the components or their construction?
I installed the 2698 version and did look at the oil pan bottom relative to the lower cross member, I didn't measure the gap but it certainly is above the xmember whereas the old mounts had the pan 1"" below the xmember.
Check back in 5 years to see how my mounts are doing- that's the test .
In my case I was given the Ford mounts and based on the reports on this BB and other individuals I chose to use same. If I were purchasing mounts I'd have some difficulty coming up with a rationale that would support a 10 x price factor between the two given the reports we have all seen.
There comes a point whether it's sailboat equipment or A Porsche part that you have to question just how much difference is there between two items, are you paying for the "prestige" of the name or is there really, in this case, a 1000% or even 500% difference in the components or their construction?
I installed the 2698 version and did look at the oil pan bottom relative to the lower cross member, I didn't measure the gap but it certainly is above the xmember whereas the old mounts had the pan 1"" below the xmember.
Check back in 5 years to see how my mounts are doing- that's the test .
07-31-2004, 11:02 PM
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I installed my Anchor 2698 mounts in June 2001, that's 3 years and 40,000 miles ago. Recently I was underneath the car and the j-hooks are right where they ought to be (close to each other). The mounts are doing great and I have no problem recommending them. Now, those 40,000 miles are 95% highway miles for my daily commute so I'm far from "hard use".
I haven't seen it mentioned but there were a number of "experiences" with Porsche mounts a couple of years ago. Maybe the mounts had sat on a shelf for 15 years and aged, but they burst/cracked/failed and pee'd soon after installation.
I also figured, heck, if the Anchor mounts don't hold up I'm bound to be back under there in the next couple of years for a steering rack or oil pan gasket or something!!
(actually hasn't happened yet)
I know of zero failures with the 2698 mount. An ingenious owner originally located the 2696 mount which is not as heavy duty as the 2698, and that *may* be the mount that Ed Ruiz has referenced as failing.
write-up and email keepers on my website,
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I haven't seen it mentioned but there were a number of "experiences" with Porsche mounts a couple of years ago. Maybe the mounts had sat on a shelf for 15 years and aged, but they burst/cracked/failed and pee'd soon after installation.
I also figured, heck, if the Anchor mounts don't hold up I'm bound to be back under there in the next couple of years for a steering rack or oil pan gasket or something!!
(actually hasn't happened yet)I know of zero failures with the 2698 mount. An ingenious owner originally located the 2696 mount which is not as heavy duty as the 2698, and that *may* be the mount that Ed Ruiz has referenced as failing.
write-up and email keepers on my website,
John Pirtle
87 a/t 166k
http://members.rennlist.com/pirtle
