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Old 08-15-2024, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by 928 GT R
No kidding! Even Audi has a 2 door coupe so the platform is only a stones throw away and the Panamera drivelines are in house.
The issue there is that particular platform is made for FWD layouts. The only platform that really makes sense is the one the Panamera and Bentley share which is RWD focused. Like all of you, I'm sure they could pop out a shortened Pano and call it a 928. Maybe they don't want to step on Bentley's toes with their offerings?
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Old 08-15-2024, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 928 GT R
I can only imagine what a modern 928 would handle like. WOW! As a fully developed supercoupe it might be the Tyrannosaurus of automobiles?
When you really think about it Porsches often outperform all the other cars in their respective class and punch above their weight class, only losing out at top speed in some cases (think 911 Turbo S vs all the supercars and hypercars). I have little doubt in my mind that if Porsche continued or revived the 928 it would outperform everything else in it's class and instead do drag races on YouTube against exotic supercars.

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Old 08-15-2024, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Petza914
Porsche has made 3 supercars - the 959, the Carrera GT, and the 918 Spyder. Everything else is either a racecar or a regular Porsche. Don't get me wrong, regular Porsches are awesome and why we all have them, but they're not supercars​​​​​​
I think this comment touches on the bigger picture that very much applies to the 928, in that Porsche has always paved their own path. They made, what they thought, was the ultimate GT - one with a Porsche badge. It wasn't supposed to ride like a Jaguar, or have the wood grain of an Aston Martin....it's a Porsche.

How does this apply to supercars? Same deal, there are variations of the 911 that IMO are very much a supercar, like the GT2.
Only Porsche can design a car like the 996 which is
  • world class Grand Turismo automobile in stock form
  • full blown sportscar - GT3
  • race car - GT3RS
  • supercar spanking - GT2
  • LeMans winning GT1 (ok that's a stretch)
  • 996 Turbo fits in here somewhere too
I bring up the 996 because it essentially replaced the 928.

What other car made is so versatile? Maybe the Corvette but they never got their sh*t together to fully roll out the C7R customer model (a few were made, friend of mine has one) and it took Prat and Miller to make the full race version. The base C5 is very much a GT with the ZO6 a Sportscar.....squirrel!!!! Back on topic

Originally Posted by icsamerica
The 928 was not misunderstood. It was neglected, underdeveloped and mis-positioned in the market place. really there.
Yup, continuing on to my above comment, the 928 could have been, should have been developed just like the 996 was. We as a community have proven it's possible. We have ultra lightweight versions terrorizing the streets, race versions spanking more contemporary cars etc....

Originally Posted by icsamerica
Mercedes R107
The R107 was used by Porsche for evaluation since that was the top of the line GT car at the time from Mercedes. Once the 380/500SEC hit the scene, IMO that took over as the Mercedes flagship GT and a far more worthy for comparison to the 928.

Originally Posted by rufrob
The lifelong 928 lover in me wholeheartedly agrees however comparing it to an Aston or 512 is a bit of a stretch IMHO. Those cars are not daily drivers by any stretch of the imagination. Parts supply, maintenance easy and cost cost cost!! put them in a totally different category of car. The 928 like all Porsches are every man cars, diy, race on Saturday, church on Sunday work on Monday.
How did the 512 enter the conversation?
In Ferrari lineage their GT's are the 365/400/412/456. All of which share a similar story as the 928. Overall not loved by the Ferrari faithful, they have a solid following and as time moves on, more and more folks are appreciating what great cars they are. As far as parts supplies go, I can get new factory fuel lines for every Ferrari, not so much the 928. It's a horse apiece IMO.

Originally Posted by rufrob
Anyone waited for a 512 to warm up in below zero C temperatures? That's right. No one drivers a Ferrari in the winter.
I don't really know anyone that regularly drives their 928 in winter either. The #1 reason I wouldn't is salt, the second is tires. Unless you run all-seasons or have two sets, it's stupid to take such cars out in arctic temperatures. They do however, start up and run just fine in the cold.


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I could see a short wheel base Panamera coupe. But putting the transmission at the rear would be costly.
I drove all my P cars in the depths of Canadian winter with no issues, yes winter tires are necessary. My friends with their F cars marveled at the utility of the P cars. Older F cars with cast blocks and aluminum heads took time to warm up. I've seen ice on the block while the temperature gauge was warm.
As far as parts availability, to date I haven't needed new fuel hoses for any of my transaxle cars. My 930 and all my friends 89 and older 911 have need new fuel hoses.
Maybe I'm not connected enough with the F car parts supplier but my friend's experience getting soft top parts for his 360 did impress men
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Originally Posted by rufrob
I could see a short wheel base Panamera coupe. But putting the transmission at the rear would be costly.
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Yes, but the pano formula of trans behind engine with big power and the AWD would be awesome.. The pano is well built and super capable...out performs any old 928 ever made with the 30-40 years of advancements. Some of the renderings have been quite nice looking.
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Old 08-16-2024, 07:46 PM
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@8cly: Thanks a lot for posting the orginal article.

I enjoyed the article quite a bit and it rather captures my impression of the 928 much like the C/D review of the 928 GT from July 1990. Some of the above posts seem rather theoretical or maybe semantic to me. Everybody talks about the 928 being a great GT, but I never really understood that. I have in my mind when I hear GT a car that is comfortable and fast over many, many kilometers. The type of car that comes to my mind is "Bentley Continental GT" or something.

My first impression of a 928 GT was in 2010 when I drove one for the first time and it felt to me like "a race car in luxury execution and leather seats." Like all good German cars of that period, it forced its stern character on the driver to a certain degree. The article claimed that "If someone wanted a comfy GT car, and they drove all four? The 928 would probably seem too low, too cramped, too serious, too… angry by comparison." Similarly, the C/D article claimed "You sit low, surrounded by high sills and a tall center console. All around you are stem, sensible gauges and no* nonsense controls. There isn't a soothing detail in sight. It's a great place from which to conduct the business of serious driving, but it's not going to do anything to brighten your mood as you thunk your way over to the club... ...So you now you realize that the 928GT is a damn serious automobile, requiring a serious investment and ·delivering serious performance. But the question remains: are you that serious?" So, I liked the article because it captured my gut feeling on my first drive of a 928 all theoretical/semantic stuff aside.

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Originally Posted by hacker-pschorr
How did the 512 enter the conversation?
Maybe because the article references them: "On a twisty road, with a reason to run hard, I would expect my 928S to show its heels to a V8 Vantage, or even a Ferrari 512, because both of those cars are intimidating and difficult to drive to their limits on a public road. But the 928 isn’t."?

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https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/1...lassic-review/
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