One of the best articles I have read
#61
The following users liked this post:
928 GT R (08-16-2024)
#62
Last edited by 8cyl; 08-15-2024 at 11:13 AM.
#63
How does this apply to supercars? Same deal, there are variations of the 911 that IMO are very much a supercar, like the GT2.
Only Porsche can design a car like the 996 which is
- world class Grand Turismo automobile in stock form
- full blown sportscar - GT3
- race car - GT3RS
- supercar spanking - GT2
- LeMans winning GT1 (ok that's a stretch)
- 996 Turbo fits in here somewhere too
What other car made is so versatile? Maybe the Corvette but they never got their sh*t together to fully roll out the C7R customer model (a few were made, friend of mine has one) and it took Prat and Miller to make the full race version. The base C5 is very much a GT with the ZO6 a Sportscar.....squirrel!!!! Back on topic
The R107 was used by Porsche for evaluation since that was the top of the line GT car at the time from Mercedes. Once the 380/500SEC hit the scene, IMO that took over as the Mercedes flagship GT and a far more worthy for comparison to the 928.
The lifelong 928 lover in me wholeheartedly agrees however comparing it to an Aston or 512 is a bit of a stretch IMHO. Those cars are not daily drivers by any stretch of the imagination. Parts supply, maintenance easy and cost cost cost!! put them in a totally different category of car. The 928 like all Porsches are every man cars, diy, race on Saturday, church on Sunday work on Monday.
In Ferrari lineage their GT's are the 365/400/412/456. All of which share a similar story as the 928. Overall not loved by the Ferrari faithful, they have a solid following and as time moves on, more and more folks are appreciating what great cars they are. As far as parts supplies go, I can get new factory fuel lines for every Ferrari, not so much the 928. It's a horse apiece IMO.
#64
I could see a short wheel base Panamera coupe. But putting the transmission at the rear would be costly.
I drove all my P cars in the depths of Canadian winter with no issues, yes winter tires are necessary. My friends with their F cars marveled at the utility of the P cars. Older F cars with cast blocks and aluminum heads took time to warm up. I've seen ice on the block while the temperature gauge was warm.
As far as parts availability, to date I haven't needed new fuel hoses for any of my transaxle cars. My 930 and all my friends 89 and older 911 have need new fuel hoses.
Maybe I'm not connected enough with the F car parts supplier but my friend's experience getting soft top parts for his 360 did impress men
I drove all my P cars in the depths of Canadian winter with no issues, yes winter tires are necessary. My friends with their F cars marveled at the utility of the P cars. Older F cars with cast blocks and aluminum heads took time to warm up. I've seen ice on the block while the temperature gauge was warm.
As far as parts availability, to date I haven't needed new fuel hoses for any of my transaxle cars. My 930 and all my friends 89 and older 911 have need new fuel hoses.
Maybe I'm not connected enough with the F car parts supplier but my friend's experience getting soft top parts for his 360 did impress men
#65
Yes, but the pano formula of trans behind engine with big power and the AWD would be awesome.. The pano is well built and super capable...out performs any old 928 ever made with the 30-40 years of advancements. Some of the renderings have been quite nice looking.
The following users liked this post:
JBT3 (08-23-2024)
#66
@8cly: Thanks a lot for posting the orginal article.
I enjoyed the article quite a bit and it rather captures my impression of the 928 much like the C/D review of the 928 GT from July 1990. Some of the above posts seem rather theoretical or maybe semantic to me. Everybody talks about the 928 being a great GT, but I never really understood that. I have in my mind when I hear GT a car that is comfortable and fast over many, many kilometers. The type of car that comes to my mind is "Bentley Continental GT" or something.
My first impression of a 928 GT was in 2010 when I drove one for the first time and it felt to me like "a race car in luxury execution and leather seats." Like all good German cars of that period, it forced its stern character on the driver to a certain degree. The article claimed that "If someone wanted a comfy GT car, and they drove all four? The 928 would probably seem too low, too cramped, too serious, too… angry by comparison." Similarly, the C/D article claimed "You sit low, surrounded by high sills and a tall center console. All around you are stem, sensible gauges and no* nonsense controls. There isn't a soothing detail in sight. It's a great place from which to conduct the business of serious driving, but it's not going to do anything to brighten your mood as you thunk your way over to the club... ...So you now you realize that the 928GT is a damn serious automobile, requiring a serious investment and ·delivering serious performance. But the question remains: are you that serious?" So, I liked the article because it captured my gut feeling on my first drive of a 928 all theoretical/semantic stuff aside.
On other topics:
Maybe because the article references them: "On a twisty road, with a reason to run hard, I would expect my 928S to show its heels to a V8 Vantage, or even a Ferrari 512, because both of those cars are intimidating and difficult to drive to their limits on a public road. But the 928 isn’t."?
I enjoyed the article quite a bit and it rather captures my impression of the 928 much like the C/D review of the 928 GT from July 1990. Some of the above posts seem rather theoretical or maybe semantic to me. Everybody talks about the 928 being a great GT, but I never really understood that. I have in my mind when I hear GT a car that is comfortable and fast over many, many kilometers. The type of car that comes to my mind is "Bentley Continental GT" or something.
My first impression of a 928 GT was in 2010 when I drove one for the first time and it felt to me like "a race car in luxury execution and leather seats." Like all good German cars of that period, it forced its stern character on the driver to a certain degree. The article claimed that "If someone wanted a comfy GT car, and they drove all four? The 928 would probably seem too low, too cramped, too serious, too… angry by comparison." Similarly, the C/D article claimed "You sit low, surrounded by high sills and a tall center console. All around you are stem, sensible gauges and no* nonsense controls. There isn't a soothing detail in sight. It's a great place from which to conduct the business of serious driving, but it's not going to do anything to brighten your mood as you thunk your way over to the club... ...So you now you realize that the 928GT is a damn serious automobile, requiring a serious investment and ·delivering serious performance. But the question remains: are you that serious?" So, I liked the article because it captured my gut feeling on my first drive of a 928 all theoretical/semantic stuff aside.
On other topics:
Maybe because the article references them: "On a twisty road, with a reason to run hard, I would expect my 928S to show its heels to a V8 Vantage, or even a Ferrari 512, because both of those cars are intimidating and difficult to drive to their limits on a public road. But the 928 isn’t."?
Last edited by Red Flash; 08-16-2024 at 07:49 PM.