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Ive said this so many times, it’s probably annoying. But I still don’t know why everyone loves the 86.5 so much. The suspension was tuned away from being the 911 replacement and further into luxury car territory, and the heavier (unsprung!) brakes didn’t come along the S4’s power bump. So worse power to weight ratio, softer handling, and you have to source hard-to-find ABS parts.
Ive said this so many times, it’s probably annoying. But I still don’t know why everyone loves the 86.5 so much. The suspension was tuned away from being the 911 replacement and further into luxury car territory, and the heavier (unsprung!) brakes didn’t come along the S4’s power bump. So worse power to weight ratio, softer handling, and you have to source hard-to-find ABS parts.
But it stops good.
Maybe it’s the dual exhaust?
Front suspension geometry.
Flipping the ball joint over was magical stuff.
Ive said this so many times, it’s probably annoying. But I still don’t know why everyone loves the 86.5 so much. The suspension was tuned away from being the 911 replacement and further into luxury car territory, and the heavier (unsprung!) brakes didn’t come along the S4’s power bump. So worse power to weight ratio, softer handling, and you have to source hard-to-find ABS parts.
But it stops good.
Maybe it’s the dual exhaust?
The 84 and 85 S are the best cars in the entire run in my opinion. I understand some people prefer the evolutionary pinnacle of a model run, but those are far too modern for my tastes both in design and refinement. I'm most partial to the 80-83 S cars (Euro of course) because these are almost exactly what Porsche originally intended powerplant wise. A 5.0L 300hp CIS fuelled engine.
The 84 and 85 S are the best cars in the entire run in my opinion. I understand some people prefer the evolutionary pinnacle of a model run, but those are far too modern for my tastes both in design and refinement. I'm most partial to the 80-83 S cars (Euro of course) because these are almost exactly what Porsche originally intended powerplant wise. A 5.0L 300hp CIS fuelled engine.
On topic: 78' 928, 911 SC, 911 G50
4.7L actually. 5.0s didn't come onto the scene until 85. The 84-86 16v Euro S cars were also 4.7s, but had 10 more HP (310 HP.) and 32 more ft.lbs. of torque (295 vs 263).
4.7L actually. 5.0s didn't come onto the scene until 85. The 84-86 16v Euro S cars were also 4.7s, but had 10 more HP (310 HP.) and 32 more ft.lbs. of torque (295 vs 263).
The planned engine in the later development stage was a 5.0L with an output the same as the 4.7L we got, for some reason. I read this in either Projekt 928 or Brian Long's book (or both!). Also 284 ft-lb for the original S.
The planned engine in the later development stage was a 5.0L with an output the same as the 4.7L we got, for some reason. I read this in either Projekt 928 or Brian Long's book (or both!). Also 284 ft-lb for the original S.
Here are all the engine numbers and stats
And here' are a couple with cam specs which shows another reason why the Euro S motors do what they do. These are also combined with larger intake runners and in the CIS cars, a larger diameter intake manifold. Essentially they take longer and deeper breaths with more compression.
If somebody said, pick 3 cars from the following list, what would you pick?
@CT Mike, are you asking because you are toying with the idea of getting a 928?
Originally Posted by hwyengr
Ive said this so many times, it’s probably annoying. But I still don’t know why everyone loves the 86.5 so much. The suspension was tuned away from being the 911 replacement and further into luxury car territory, and the heavier (unsprung!) brakes didn’t come along the S4’s power bump. So worse power to weight ratio, softer handling, and you have to source hard-to-find ABS parts.
But it stops good.
Maybe it’s the dual exhaust?
My reason for selecting an 86.5 for my 928 is because it has the early body style with the latest advances towards the S4/GT territory (bigger brakes, updated suspension, 32 valves, exhaust). I stay away from the (admittedly, very alluring) Euros because I am in the USA and don't want to deal with parts confusion. (And I hope you are wrong about hard to find ABS parts!)
Last edited by hernanca; 08-04-2022 at 02:37 AM.
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And here' are a couple with cam specs which shows another reason why the Euro S motors do what they do. These are also combined with larger intake runners and in the CIS cars, a larger diameter intake manifold. Essentially they take longer and deeper breaths with more compression.
Odd how the numbers will vary depending on the source, I wonder if it really is 263 or 284. Also, are the S2s really that much heavier? That is a bigger surprise to me, I didn't expect that much.
Hernanca. Yes. These are all cars I’ve considered and with the exception of a 928GTS, all cars I’ve driven.
In that case, since these different models can have different "personalities", it would be good to know what you want from the car, if you already know what that might be? Is it that you want something in your arsenal to complement a 993? Do you know whether you want a 5-speed vs. an Auto? Plan to daily drive it? Ultimate performance? Plan to do your own wrenching? Investment? That information, if known, can help inform your decision. I know that my criteria for selecting a particular model may not match anyone elses! Either way, best wishes on your exploration!
In that case, since these different models can have different "personalities", it would be good to know what you want from the car, if you already know what that might be? Is it that you want something in your arsenal to complement a 993? Do you know whether you want a 5-speed vs. an Auto? Plan to daily drive it? Ultimate performance? Plan to do your own wrenching? Investment? That information, if known, can help inform your decision. I know that my criteria for selecting a particular model may not match anyone elses! Either way, best wishes on your exploration!
At this point I’m not in the market having recently sold an 88 911 and purchased a 97. I thought it would be interesting to see other peoples preferences on the cars I was considering. Someday there will be a 928 in my garage. Not only have I always wanted one but I’d like to part of this is a great group of people who are enthusiastic about their cars. That’s what this hobby is about.
08-03-2022, 09:06 AM
