mark kibort

I just got through telling you of my experience. 3 fast bikes, with guys out with all the gear, and us both on a fast mountain road. those guys had NO chance! if you ever see them, ask em what they saw running behind the ole Holbert car on hy9. They would run up on me as I approach the 90degree curves, and after a late brake, and a powered exit, they would be pretty far back only to continue the yo-yo of matching the advantages and the disadvantages.

mk

Tom. M

Apparently, from what I heard from those on the Sunday Drive after Devek days..there was this one rider...who made mincemeat out of both cars and bikes in the twisties..with relative ease and aplomb......

Anyone who was there care to comment..?..

Later,
Tom
midlman@rennlist.net
89GT

mark kibort

im talking about my race car, with DOT slicks and prepared for racing, not sunday drive street cars.

a good driver in a car or a bike will have quite a battle in the " twisties" if the car is somewhat prepared.

generally, bikes beat street cars, i agree. This is why the bikes we were running with were so surprised . (how often do the bikes see a prepared race car on the streets, on DOT race rubber!)

mk

bcdavis

There are not that many people who ride on the street who are comfortable pushing their bikes to the limits. There are some that are, and who are good riders, and good racers. And those guys will destroy other riders, and drivers, on the twisty roads. There was this one older guy who used to race on Mullholland, with a little 250 sportbike. Or maybe it was an RZ350 2-stroke. Anyhow, it was probably 1/2 to 1/4 the power of the other bikes. But this guy would just fly through the corners faster than almost anyone else. And there were huge differences in the other riders as well. In this one timed section of Mullholland, from the Rock Store to the lookout point, I was probably 10 seconds slower than the fastest guy out there. And we were both on 600s at the time. So the age of the bike, size of the engine, and all that stuff, does not matter nearly as much as rider skill. So if you raced me on that section of road, I would be 10 seconds slower than if you raced that other guy, who was really good. It takes a lot more than the ability to ride a motorcycle, to be a good sportbike rider. There are a ton of people out there on bikes, that do not know how to use them properly.

Same goes with cars.
I am guessing that Mark is a lot better 928 driver than most of us.
Tons of time in the seat, at the limit, gives you a lot better idea of what you and your car can do.

Jim bailey - 928 International

It seems to me that many people have little respect or understanding of what a talented and /or experienced driver actually is capable of doing in a car . The fact that most people "know" how to drive and may go fast on the street perhaps is part of the problem . Going to a Porsche drivers education event is usually very educational and humbling . Like , why is the 944 doing better lap times than I am ? How can that old very brown 1980 be doing better lap times than a supercharged S-4 ? Spend a day at a track get an hour and a half or so driving your car as fast as you think is humanly possible and still keep it on the track . Then learn that it will go faster ! A sanctioned 1/4 mile drag race lasts maybe 14 seconds hits 100 mph . An hour and 1/2 on a road course equals 385 drag races all in one day ! Now imagine how many "drag races" Kibort has experienced .

bcdavis

And a lot of bike riders are just like those ricers, or people in new Corvettes, or even Ferarris... Many of them buy a bike, or a car, and they do *not* have experience in racing. So they will not be able to wring the full potential from their car, or a bike. So all I am saying, is that a superbike is not a toy people can just buy, and go kick a$$ with. They have to have practice, skill, and experience to be able to actually use it properly. If I am on my bike, on the freeway, and someone comes up next to me, and wants to race, I can hit the gas, and leave it in 6th gear, and accelerate at a reasonable pace. But if someone has a fast car, I will lose, because it does not have torque at that low of RPM. So if I really want to win, or accelerate at an insane rate, I will be dropping to 3rd, and getting the RPMs back up over 10,000, and really hitting the powerband. Otherwise it's the same as racing someone in your 928, and not hitting the kickdown, or leaving it in 4th, and just hitting the gas. Getting the car, or bike, in the powerband, is essential.

Lagavulin

Agreed.


Oh man, THAT is so 'clever'...

It's easy to see 'what it shows'; it shows THAT it was RIGGED, it was PLANNED! Do you really think we're all THAT stupid to think THAT a stock S4 which is *PIG-SLOW* is going to keep up with a lightning-fast CBR929RR THAT was truely being ridden *****-to-the-wall in a race? Aren't you even the least bit embarassed with this whole thing you're trying to pull?

So I say THAT there was no rider skill involved, the rider/actor was only following a script.

The CBR does the 1/4 mile in 10.35, and a stock S4 is lucky if it can do 14.4; THAT's a difference of 4 WHOLE SECONDS! To put THAT into perspective, with each 1/10th of a second representing a car-length, THAT comes out to be a 40 CAR LENGTH victory. Hmm, just how big of an ***-WHOOPING would THAT be? Assuming a car length is 14.8 feet (..a 928), THAT means the bike should have beaten you by 593 feet which is nearly 2 FOOTBALL FIELDS!!! You would have been lucky to see his brake lights if he ever hit them at THAT distance.

And the funny thing is, it's all in the video; by the way, how many 'takes' did it take to get it 'right'? It's plain to see the bike let off shortly after the right hander and pretty much coasted after THAT waiting for you to catch up. Maybe you can do some more editing and re-release it so it's not so noticeable, and just maybe your grandmother will finally believe you (..with a wink and a smile, of course).

This is easily one of the LAMEST posts I've ever seen; yes, 'It is THAT'.

Jim_H

Lag,

Sorry to say but you might as well

The one observation I have is that the people who own 928's AND have owned bikes are a bit more grounded in the real world throughout this and previous threads concerning this. I wouldn't own a bike for anything anymore but I still know what they can do. It's not like there is a conspiracy against our cars, it's just that facts is facts.
Mark, no doubt you are going to give any bike or car a run for there money, you're a pro dude.

bcdavis

Since you were right on par, or faster than that R1 your raced, with a supercharged 928, that is like saying that his car is just as fast as yours. Because the R1 and the 929 are not that far off in the performance area. Those two bikes are very, very close competitors.

heinrich

Lagavullin, this post is easily the stupidest, least-informed I have ever read. Tell you what. Why don't you e-mail Schnazzy at www.schnazzy.com, and ask him how he rigged this video.

Lagavullin you call me a liar. I am calling you an idiot.

heinrich

Btw "Lagavullin" ... who and what are you? You will find my name on the inside of the 928 Forum Magazine. That is my name, Heinrich. What is your name, or are you going to continue hiding behind that "Lagavullin" name? Or are you really a whisky.

heinrich

Now, "Whisky" ... go actually read up, talk to Schnazzy and come back with your tail between your legs and apologise for being such a dick. We are what we eat.

Jim_H

Hiney, would it make you happier if everyone just surrendered to the fact that's your is the fastest car on the road, bar none? You mentioned recently that there were times when you couldn't keep the wheels from breaking loose during shifts on the way to the dyno, I know you well enough to know you would have those dyno sheets. Lets see the #'s on this Subie/CBR929RR killer.

heinrich

Jim, you recently set fire to your pristine 928GT. The insurance paid you way too much. Then you set out to buy another, and within a month you stuffed it into a wall on a track. Maybe Jim, you need to look a bit at your own life and stop concerning yourself with things you don't understand.

Jim, you can't drive, and don't own a bike, I don't consider you qualified to comment.

heinrich

My blood is boiling, I am not going to comment anymore, or in fact read this thread. Flame on Jim and Whisky. You boys make a cute couple.