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Old 07-21-2021 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Schocki
Did you guys replace the vacuum modulator with the new updated version?
I would say it's time to check the modulating pressure. How is the car shifting overall? Soft or very hard?
We filled with DEXRON III (SHELL Spirax S3 ATF MD3).

We have not replaced the vacuum modulator. We have just checked it when we rebuild the transmission.
What is this new updated version ?

The car shifts hard when the transmission is cold. Soft then hot (10 minutes later).


I agree to take modulating pressure.

I will also check ATF level.

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Old 07-21-2021 | 06:40 PM
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In my experience, our 722.3 automatic is happier with dexron II. I went to synthetic once snag my tranny was not very happy.
Old 07-21-2021 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Schocki
In my experience, our 722.3 automatic is happier with dexron II. I went to synthetic once snag my tranny was not very happy.
You're right. In the GTS's manual, it's DEXON II-D. But I have also read in Rennlist that a lot of 928 owners use DEXRON III.

BTW. Today I have 145000 km. At 70000 km, Porsche France used DEXRON III when they changed the ATF.

UPDATE : I am looking for a pressure tester, with the hose and adapter. Which one to buy on the web ?

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Old 07-22-2021 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Schocki
Did you guys replace the vacuum modulator with the new updated version?
I have the new one I think it's the new one on GTS 95. Ref. from PET is 126 270 927 9.

My tranny :




The rubber cap ref. 126 987 07 45 is very hard to insert. I can't do it ... I will try again today and I will order new ones (3 $) before to break mine.
I don't want to drive without the rubber cap and to lose the small "T". Reading the MB forums, it seems that the rubber cap is like a seal to avoid vacuum leak.

My rubber cap :



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Old 07-22-2021 | 08:29 PM
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Yes, no rubber cap, huge leak, bad shifting.
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Old 07-23-2021 | 02:53 AM
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This video describes the old and new versions:


Im actually not sure right now if the new style has a rubber cap. The old one has and if it cracks it'll influence the shifting.

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Old 07-23-2021 | 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Schocki
This video describes the old and new versions:
I have the new one, the green one ;-)
My problem is to re-insert the rubber cap. At the end of the video it seems to be easy !!! Not for me ...
Old 07-23-2021 | 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Fabien92
I have the new one, the green one ;-)
My problem is to re-insert the rubber cap. At the end of the video it seems to be easy !!! Not for me ...
It just snaps over the top..if I recall.

Pictures help
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Originally Posted by Speedtoys
It just snaps over the top..if I recall. Pictures help
Yes, but it's very hard to push it fully. And it doesn't turn when inserted. I will try again this evening, taking care about the two lugs on the rubber cap.
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Originally Posted by Fabien92
Yes, but it's very hard to push it fully. And it doesn't turn when inserted. I will try again this evening, taking care about the two lugs on the rubber cap.
The rubber cap..is just a cap..I dont recal having to turn it.

In the cap is a T handle that turns the valve..??
Old 07-23-2021 | 03:32 AM
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I have the T handle inside the green valve (the new one. See pictures in post #289 ;-) ). It was there when I removed the cap two days ago.

The cap turns on a half turn to adjust the pressure without to remove the cap.

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Old 07-23-2021 | 04:20 AM
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The cap is at the right place 😃 I did it in 3 minutes. I don’t know why I didn’t succeed on yesterday 😂





Two vidéos at cold. The RPM increases but no shift change. When hot no problem.

https://youtu.be/2_-xCrv7Hn0

https://youtu.be/NQuad1cVCU4

That’s my problem ...

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Old 07-23-2021 | 05:17 AM
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I thought the later transmissions had something to delay upshifts when the transmission fluid is cold to get the engine up to temperature faster and reduce emissions. It may be that yours is working as it should now that you’ve fixed stuff or whatever that component is in the transmission is the problem.

Edit:
Found this on a Mercedes forum:

The transmission upshift delay relay delays the 2 - 3 upshift point in order to heat the catalytic converter faster during cold engine operation.
Under certain operating conditions the CIS-E control unit energizes the upshift delay relay via ground. This causes the upshift delay solenoid valve at the
transmission to open reducing the governor pressure and raising the upshift point.
The 2 - 3 upshift delay point will be raised if:


a. After start up, with the coolant temperature between 60°F and 86°F for a maximum of 80 sec. or up to 31 mph.
b. With the coolant temperature between 32°F and 60°F for a short time, depending on the coolant temperature at the time or up to 31 mph.

Below 32°F and above 86°F 2 - 3 upshift delay does not operate.

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Old 07-23-2021 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by gazfish
I thought the later transmissions had something to delay upshifts when the transmission fluid is cold to get the engine up to temperature faster and reduce emissions. It may be that yours is working as it should now that you’ve fixed stuff or whatever that component is in the transmission is the problem.

Edit:
Found this on a Mercedes forum:

The transmission upshift delay relay delays the 2 - 3 upshift point in order to heat the catalytic converter faster during cold engine operation.
Under certain operating conditions the CIS-E control unit energizes the upshift delay relay via ground. This causes the upshift delay solenoid valve at the
transmission to open reducing the governor pressure and raising the upshift point.
The 2 - 3 upshift delay point will be raised if:


a. After start up, with the coolant temperature between 60°F and 86°F for a maximum of 80 sec. or up to 31 mph.
b. With the coolant temperature between 32°F and 60°F for a short time, depending on the coolant temperature at the time or up to 31 mph.

Below 32°F and above 86°F 2 - 3 upshift delay does not operate.
Not on any 928.
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Old 07-23-2021 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Speedtoys
The rubber cap..is just a cap..I dont recal having to turn it.

In the cap is a T handle that turns the valve..??
Early style on your car.
He has later "updated" style...an immense pain in the butt. I only install these, when the original style is broken or leaks.
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