hacker-pschorr

What do they say when they see your headers?

Speedtoys

Really depends who it is, and if they know you...and then how they feel about the coffee they had that day.

I get checked for the ARB numbers on my 85, since it's obvious they are not OEM, every time.

hacker-pschorr

That's what I figured so making a case about 86 CATS on an 87 is very much a moot point.

Speedtoys

I _think_ the CARB hint book, this super dense onion paper tome...has photos of these, and its the same as an 87+ in connections and image. Ive thumbed thru it...

GregBBRD

I know you live to critize everything I say or do...
But if it is such a moot point, why does Porsche have two specific part numbers for '85/'86 versus '87 and later, without a supercession?

Are you somehow privy to the specific differences to make such a statement?









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hacker-pschorr

I actually plug your stuff all the time, like earlier today:
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...tor-fixed.html

Dunno, you brought it up. I asked a legitimate question since I find it odd you are concerned about a part number on a catalytic converter while at the same time have customers in California running around with your headers.

I'm making an obvious observation that if your headers are making it through inspection, then why would the part numbers on factory parts that look otherwise identical be an issue?

GregBBRD

You seem to know a lot about California......and what happens in my shop.

I keep looking for the secret cameras you and Kibort have in my shop.....very cleverly hidden.....still looking.

Here's the reality: California is very concerned about cats. The replacement cats are carefully numbered and are car specific. They smog inspectors look for the correct number, when they do smog inspections. They also have a list of part numbers for the correct stock cats. They also look at these part numbers. They are not very concerned about what happens before the cats and after the cats, as long as the cats are in the original position and everything is hooked up correctly....and the car passes the smog inspection.

Note that I do no de-federalize cars.....even out of state cars. I send all my headers with legal 50 state cats.

I'm trying to be really honest and give good advice.....as always. All I'm saying is that if you are going to pay money to get a stock cat, in California, I'd be damn sure and get the proper year and part number. If I was selling a cat, I'd be doubly careful to sell the proper cat for the proper car! Call up Summit racing, tell them you are in California, and try to get them to send you a cat that fits a different model year!

You think I'm wrong? You think I'm giving the OP bad advice? Was the OP asking about headers? Is there a reason you thought it important to bring this up? Did headers have anything to do with the OP's original question?

What the hell, as a moderator, aren't you supposed to be making this Forum run better, instead of attacking me and my honest advice?

Richard S

I don't agree with this statement. They are absolutely concerned with other parts of the system, including headers. If your headers are installed on a California registered car, they would legally be required to have a CARB EO number.

For reference: https://www.bar.ca.gov/pdf/APPENDIX%...%2012-2009.pdf

And https://ww3.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/replace.htm Note that this link has the following information: "Headers for use on catalytic converter equipped vehicles require an Executive Order to be legal for street use."

Rich

Speedtoys

Smog chats seem to bring out the crazy in everyone _that doesnt live here_.

Thats the main issue.

SeanR

LOL, the irony.

hacker-pschorr

Pot / Kettle?

Tell yea what, I'll stop posting in emission related threads started by California residents if YOU stop posting in any emission related threads started by people who do NOT live in California. Deal?

How many times have you "warned" someone to keep their air pump for the day when every state is forced to follow California's lead?

Jim Devine

If you are getting aftermarket cats, go by a star smog shop when they are not busy. Have them look up the brands and part # of the Calif Air Resources Board list of approved replacements. Or you can search this data base. If it's not on the list, don't buy it.
https://ssl.arb.ca.gov/AftermarketParts/catalysts
And according to the rules, they must be installed in the factory location +- 2 inches.

dr bob

Irony... the opposite of "wrinkly".

Tube headers can look stock enough that they don't raise a fuss at visual inspection time. Greg's headers are bigger and are missing the expansion joints that the factory S4 headers have. I'm pretty sure I could explain those away, especially with the trays in place and everything else looking reasonably stock. Usually the magnifying glass doesn't seem to come out except when you don't pass the attitude test, or the inspector thinks you are trying to bull-wink them.

I kept a home in Mammoth Lakes for a long time, and registered my $100 Toyota pickup there. I was surprised when I got renewal notices with no inspection requirement. Seems that rural counties don't ask for them. Hmmm.. P.O. box there, and a mail forwarding service or a ride to your local AAA with old paperwork means no inspections. The PO box was cheap, even after I didn't spend much time there. Just needed to drop by at least annually to renew the PO box and toss the junk mail.

The Forgotten On

Clearlake county is the same way. Get a PO box and no more biannual emissions test.

I still get my cars tested as it is a good way to see if everything is working correctly.

dr bob