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Again, 75% of all F1 teams run well beyond the top 15 of the group. yet they still race.
top pros at Rennsport were out of the top 10
mark anderson was generally around the top 15 WCGT
you are talking like you have 0 understanding of racing. its not bilding the best engine , as good or better than anyone else , and thats where you are confused. my engine lasted 8 years, Todds engine lasted 10 years and yours last 3 hours... you are welll behind the curve if you are talking about "placing" wtih your "quality". you think its cheap gas? maybe its your tuning skills. since you think you are perfect, its likely you are not and that might be the problem. Look how many engines you have made that have blown up.
Now, you thnk it takes no effort to be in the top 15? that is the most ignorant statement . you have NO chance nor anyone that you personally know, to get in the top 15 in the SCCA national championships with a 928. tell you what. You build a 928 GT2 qualified car, and run with in a second of my time and ill give you $1000dolllars! ($2000 if you drive it)
When i ran in the GTGP pro race at laguna , and the rain hit and guys were crashing into walls and each other... and i ended up finishing 7th place overall..... is that because im a wanna be racer? did i just get lucky? its not offten i get a chance to equalize the conditions with my older 928 , but rain is always the great equalizer.
"Truthfully", really Greg.... you think you can be 15th with a 928 in the GT2 scca championships ? knock yourself out. i have a $1000bill that says you cant even get in the top 20, no matter how hard you try. prove me wrong and that you can BACK up that big ignorant mouth of yours.
you cant even read and comprehend correctly. so, you think that if you qualify for the Olympics, and the opening bar is as high as you have gone ( Not "never gone") you would what, not go to compete? really, do you have any idea of the honor and effort that goes in to being the top group that can make that cut off? only 1 guy can win. the rest shouldnt show up if they cant win? are you serious? again, most all races have 20-30 places .........only one winner.... 3-4 that probably can win the race ......should all the others stay home? you dont understand racing in the mid pack is an honor an privilege in pro racign as well. top drivers , top cars........etc..and if i can be in that realm with a 30 year old car on used tires, im pretty happy about that. Its about racing... and again, im not alone, 99% off all racers agree with me and are laughing at your delusional attitude and knowledge/experience.
Liberals....you can tell them, but you can't tell them much.
1. I've shown every piece out of Anderson's failed engine. Every melted and cracked part is from excessive heat....detonation. No mechanical issues from my workmanship.... no issues, anywhere. Everyone, even Mark, knows he poured low octane fuel into an engine that had high octane requirements. Yet, you continue to "harp" that the problem is from my workmanship. Pull your head out of your a$$.
2. Your don't have a "race" engine. You have a stock engine with a bigger bore and stroke that you drive like grandma, shift like grandma. Untuned, at that! It makes what...380hp on a good day? It should last forever! I, seriously, do not have a single street engine as mild as your "race" engine!
3. "99% of all racers are laughing at your delusional attitude and knowledge/experience."
So in your class of 30 entries, 29.7 of those people don't give a **** about winning. That leaves one person giving a half-a$$ed 30% effort to win that race, by your statistics. By your statistics, everyone is running for fifteeth place?
"Racing" has sure changed since I participated. We used to all care about winning!
(Your idiotic statement goes right back to my original post. If no one gives a **** about winning, why bother?)
4. I've seen a bunch of your "race" lap times, over the years. You might run a few hard laps, and then you find a spot in the middle of the pack and just pull back and cruise. You even claim you do this!!!
I'm sorry....that's not racing, to me. Racing, for me, has always been running as hard as possible, from flag to flag.
At best, you are the textbook "start and park" guy that Hacker talked about. A "moving chicane" in the way of the people that are trying to get by.
"Kibort is the king of blocking", as I hear it.
5. Heh, I get it. You are a "middle of the pack" human. You were when you competed in athletics. You still are, today...."racing" for the middle of the pack. Actually hoping to be....average.
Yes, you are correct....all competition events need guys like you....just to fill the field and "finance" the event. But you are the delusional one....running a few hard laps and parking your car in fifteeth place isn't racing.
6. I'll take those gifts of cash you just offered up. Thanks!
7. I wonder how many times we've heard about that one "race" you ran in the rain, where everyone "parked" their cars and you were "gifted" 7th place?
I bet it's over twenty....easy twenty times!
One silly race, where everyone backed off and cruised in the rain, Kibort finishes in the upper half of the field!
Yeah.
Find something else to "hang your hat on", would you please?
Greg, you are so funny
Lets get the record straight. ive won national championships. yes, i also ran a few pro races and had a good time. I didnt have the cash to make a car that could win with.. but not many people can. thats not as hard as you say it is. many people do it, all the time. I've also coached national championship athletes too. So, i dont know where you get "middle of the pack" comment. you on the other hand, are ONLY a good wrench.. so, be happy with that. you have NEVER won anything in your life.. so stop comparing.
as far as the GT2 entrants, yes, of the 30 entrants, only a handful are going to have a chance of winning and thats not stopping most of the field from racing. because it is a catch all class with a poor way of balancing performance, it is the way it is. we all know it and race anyway. why do you think that is greg? because is it fun to complete and run the car at the edge. (and for all the reasons i mention as well as many others have mentioned)
part racing IS the racing. if im in a race and ive went all out for 10 laps and have a good lead, i have been known to back off .....in the past year, i cant remember a race where that has happened. we have had a lot of close battles this season (as well as many seasons prior.) you have never watched the videos, so you would never know. by the way greg, running my "stock" stroked engine, is not "babying " it, if it has a hp max that happens between 4500 and 6500rpm, thats where you run the engine, but you have proved time and time again to be not too sharp in physics and math.
Where did you get the idea i a "blocker" that's really funny . anyone can see near all my races over the past 20 years, and i have NEVER blocked anyone. by the way , the GTGP... you think all the guys in the race, parked their cars? is that why 911Design loren, totalled his car into a wall because he was going " half ***"? you are delusional and get more crazy with every word you print.
my challenge to you stilll stands. put a Greg brown 928 that fits GT2 class, on the track at laguna with anyone other than Mark driving and show me you can be apart of a lap time better than mine. win $1000!! you are all talk Greg.. always have been, always willl be.
and that challenge will BE with you at anytime you want to get in a equal car, at any track and go wheel to wheel in a SCCA/porsche club or any race.................name the date and time. until then, STFU. seek some help from your small man complex.. get over the fact that many of us race for the fun of it, while being as competitive as we can be. our race is with the guys around us. most all of us feel this way. go ask a racer if you have proof.
Originally Posted by GregBBRD
Liberals....you can tell them, but you can't tell them much.
1. I've shown every piece out of Anderson's failed engine. Every melted and cracked part is from excessive heat....detonation. No mechanical issues from my workmanship.... no issues, anywhere. Everyone, even Mark, knows he poured low octane fuel into an engine that had high octane requirements. Yet, you continue to "harp" that the problem is from my workmanship. Pull your head out of your a$$.
you cant tune a engine to save your life. i cant believe anyone gives you a dime for your work. It all blows up.
2. Your don't have a "race" engine. You have a stock engine with a bigger bore and stroke that you drive like grandma, shift like grandma. Untuned, at that! It makes what...380hp on a good day? It should last forever! I, seriously, do not have a single street engine as mild as your "race" engine!
no, i run that car to its total potential, because i understand math and physics and you refuse to try and learn. it makes the same hp as motors you have made with the same mods.
3. "99% of all racers are laughing at your delusional attitude and knowledge/experience."
So in your class of 30 entries, 29.7 of those people don't give a **** about winning. That leaves one person giving a half-a$$ed 30% effort to win that race, by your statistics. By your statistics, everyone is running for fifteeth place?
Yes, everyone but the top 5 guys have any chance of winning., the rest are fighting for a top 10 finish, TOPS! you dont get it.. GT2 is a hodge-podge of 500 to 300hp cars, and the 300hp cars have no chance of winning . yet they are stilll out there. nascar vs spec 911.. sorry, doesnt take genius to figure out the winner there. the rules dont allow those cars to make more hp either. again, look at andersons efforts. even cheating by the greatest of levels, he couldnt get into the top 15 places for all the races he ran that one glorious season ..........and im being serous.he had a blast and was fiercely competitive with those around him.... even punting Galati at Sears point in 2005.
"Racing" has sure changed since I participated. We used to all care about winning!
(Your idiotic statement goes right back to my original post. If no one gives a **** about winning, why bother?)
4. I've seen a bunch of your "race" lap times, over the years. You might run a few hard laps, and then you find a spot in the middle of the pack and just pull back and cruise. You even claim you do this!!!
I'm sorry....that's not racing, to me. Racing, for me, has always been running as hard as possible, from flag to flag.
At best, you are the textbook "start and park" guy that Hacker talked about. A "moving chicane" in the way of the people that are trying to get by.
"Kibort is the king of blocking", as I hear it.
no, no one ,or very few race flag to flag, at 100%, unless they have to. anyone worth their experience, will save the car if a win or place needed is in the bag. this is why i have made the car last as long as i can.. i dont waste it after 10 laps if its not needed. we beat them up in qualifying, and during the race, but after the "racing" is over, most anyone backs off a second or two. (if you care about saving the car ) again, "blocking" where did you get that nonsense.. watch a video , front or rear view cam.. show the example.. you wont because you are the closet liberal with your fake news! and your "feelings" hahaha But by the way, many of my races have lasted to the final checker, at 100% the entire race!
5. Heh, I get it. You are a "middle of the pack" human. You were when you competed in athletics. You still are, today...."racing" for the middle of the pack. Actually hoping to be....average.
Yes, you are correct....all competition events need guys like you....just to fill the field and "finance" the event. But you are the delusional one....running a few hard laps and parking your car in fifteeth place isn't racing.
Running the car as fast it can be run Greg.. you can challenge me anytime with your car and yourself, but you will never ever beat me in anything close to what i have to work with.
6. I'll take those gifts of cash you just offered up. Thanks!
Put up or shut up greg. this is will be a revelation of the kind of guy you really are.........i think we all see the real Greg Brown now. un -flipping believable! we all knew you were going crazy , but not this much!! wow!
7. I wonder how many times we've heard about that one "race" you ran in the rain, where everyone "parked" their cars and you were "gifted" 7th place?
I bet it's over twenty....easy twenty times!
One silly race, where everyone backed off and cruised in the rain, Kibort finishes in the upper half of the field!Yeah.
Find something else to "hang your hat on", would you please?
its a data point greg, nothing more or nothing less. YOU have no facts, only feelings here.
Last edited by mark kibort; 10-08-2018 at 03:07 AM.
Greg, here is a typical race highlight video (from 10 years ago and one a couple of years ago. typical 100% to the end. .... you dont think this is racing?
Greg, here is a typical race highlight video (from 10 years ago and one a couple of years ago. typical 100% to the end. .... you dont think this is racing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sih48Dby9d0
it would have been a lot better if you had written this in post #3, instead of # 33.
….and then you can't resist getting on that bus to negative town....???? again.
It's fantastic that people can have different opinions without being personally attacked. It adds so much to this Forum.
Thanks for your valuable input throughout this thread.
You're such a great addition to this community, with all those interesting questions about fixing your car, while giving so much back to us, at the same time.
Hey, the 928 is going to be on the grid, first time officially. when i wanted you help with the specs, you were no where to be found. i did it myself, for the 928 community and myself. Anyone that has an infinity for the Porsche 928, has to be excited for it to be on a national stage.
If it survives and gets into the show, it will be among some of the fastest and newest production based cars, all while being only really being modified ever so slightly, producing a mere 50hp over stock and over 30 years old... yes, even with most of its original suspension bushings! That should make any 928 owner proud that an old dog like the 928, can be in a race and actually hold its own and in the mix, racing against some of the fastest and most heavily modified race cars that there are in this type of class. (GT2) . This is NOT about winning a race in the 928, this is about racing the 928. im sure its going to do well against many of the cars in the class, with a lot less. At worst case, I would just be excited to see it on TV again. We get excited because we like cars, we like the 928 and we like racing. who doesn't? (Besides Greg)
Many here have had a lot to do with me having a car that has lasted as long and has run well as it has over the past 10 years. Thank You!
Originally Posted by GregBBRD
It's fantastic that people can have different opinions without being personally attacked. It adds so much to this Forum.
Thanks for your valuable input throughout this thread.
You're such a great addition to this community, with all those interesting questions about fixing your car, while giving so much back to us, at the same time.
Greg, you sure can be an axx when you try. May i remind you that the 928 list is a discussion about cars, questions, comments and stories are what the list is about.
There are no qualifications of what is a good or bad opinions.....nor is there a requirement to "give"....... even the bad questions ( if there are any). are of value to those that like to help by answering.
Why dont you figure out how you are going to try and take that $1000 from me. Com'mon, it will be fun........
ive been preparing for this race, like no other and sure enough even after spending big bucks having the shocks repaired and revalved, i find out before laguna that the bump stop on one side fits into a cavity, but on the other side it hits a flat surface, meaning, the spring rate is increased as it rides on the bump stop. (the otehr side the bumpstop fits in a 1-2" cavity)
NOW, i got to remove this so called "washer" that is not like the other side, ONLY to find out the shock has NO compression when i moved the shock shaft up and down. blown out!
now, of course, 5 days to go before i trek out to sears point for the week and this!! AHHHHHHHH
anyway, i dont know if anyone has the DEVEK shock system, but these two shock purches are very different. which is the right one?
seeing if the most well known koni shop in nor cal, can turn these things around in a day or two so i can get them back on for the weekend.
rebuilt shocks after one weekend with no compression and the funky purch old shocks when they blew in front
Thought you had just replaced the shocks. How did you miss this?
Carl has been selling his race shock package with the smaller-daiameter springs r a while. He may have your replacements available off the shelf. Worth a PHONE CALL.
Thought you had just replaced the shocks. How did you miss this?
Carl has been selling his race shock package with the smaller-daiameter springs r a while. He may have your replacements available off the shelf. Worth a PHONE CALL.
i had them completely rebuilt... didnt notice the cut out in the one purch , because i didnt assemble, but noticed it when the car was on the rack, where the bump stop was showing some shock travel and the other wasnt,. .... looked closer and noticed that it looked like a misplaced large washer, now it turns out to be the entire aluminum purch. glad i pulled it and it just happened to be the shock with a complete blown out compression circuit. they are saying it could be a defective valve... anyway, its on the truck next day delivery to Koni at sonoma raceway (performance Shock inc)
why would the more narrow springs be better? the problem looks to be the shock body being too long for the ride height. probably just need to sell these and start over.
Ok so Kibort you got the 928 rules to include the stroker engine ??? Or are you just cheating ?
Still negotiating. Was able approved to run the same set up as Anderson did for WCGT . Anderson CF Intake and stroker are being negotiated to be added to spec. do you have a copy of the old VTS laying around?
10-07-2018, 07:44 PM
