mark kibort

The SCCA national Championships are happening in a little over 2 weeks. Car seems to be ready , all the obvious stuff fixed or tightened up over the season and am treating the car to a new set of real Slicks for the event. (Michelin.. the good stuff!) this will be only my second set of new tires I've ever run since 2002, although ive run some pretty good.fast used/take offs before..

the week of Oct14th it all starts at sonoma Raceway with 3 days of qualifying and the championship race on Saturday Oct 20th If im able to be in the top half of the 30 car field, that will be something! especially since for the first time ever, the Porsche 928 is truly a legal model recognized in the SCCA National class.

if you are in the area, come out and check it out. should be a similar version to the crowd Mark A. and I used to run against in World Challenge back in the 2000s

IcemanG17

GregBBRD

So, you are going to a race where you have no chance of winning and you'd be thrilled if you finished in the middle of the pack?

Since I've never gone to a race without a chance of winning that race, I've got to ask the obvious question......Why?

And what is the thrill of being a moving chicane?

merchauser

best of luck, Mark. sure you will have a great time, have a great deal of fun, and do well!!

best to you!!

mark kibort

Probably the most IDIOTIC post ive ever read on ANY sports related discussion.


Greg, what a turd in a punch bowl you can be... you really crack me up. Its like you have never left your garage or ever competed in competitive sports. Do you think every car there is expecting to win?
Have you forgotten your X-Hero competing in World challenge GT? Do you think Mark Anderson ever expected or tried to actually win? besides the fact that it was IMPOSSIBLE for that to happen in a 928 for political reasons, (same as running in SCCA GT2), he competed anyway. he was at BEST, mid pack.. actually, a few spots ahead of me...and we had a BLAST racing. and got a lot of air time on TV.

Greg, I, UNLIKE YOU , have won national championships in sports. and I have COACHED athletes who have won national championships! YOU have no idea what it takes to be the top dog... But, do you think everyone that has competed, has thought they could win or was trying to win? They might have been doing their best, but many (READ "MOST") are not trying to win, they are tying to do their best in the spirit of competition

My best friend Jeff K. just sent his son to the indy 500 race this season 2018. He spent near 1-2 million dollars on the season (hint #35 was his number) he qualified 17th (about mid pack) . he blew a Chevy engine for unknown reason, and had NO chance of winning... should he have just gone home after qualifying?

if the racers that showed up, only showed up if they thought they were going to win, there would be only about 5-7 cars showing up to any given race

You have never shown up to a race that you couldnt have a chance of winning? really? no one has EVER seen you race Greg. no team you have supported have ever won a national championship. or has EVER had a chance at winning a national championship. the closest you ever got to "winning" has been Mark Anderson and his 928 and he was , Yep, you got it,, "MIDPACK" and by the way, mid pack is not a "moving chicane". it means you probaby might even have the best battle in the field , with the most "racing" which is why we do it!!!!

I made it to the Olympic trials in 1984, the opening height was my best mark ever. Should I have not traveled to the event to compete??

Greg, you crack me up.. why dont you figure out how to make a race engine that doesnt blow up, because it seems you have forgotten how .

Did you got to Rennsport reunion? do you think every driver in the Rennsport Weisach group had a chance of winning against a porsche Daytona prototype? should they all just stayed home.. what about the older cars in the class, like mine.. dont go unless you cant win?? are you delusional? I showed this post of yours to the top racers I know, and YOU had them on the ground laughing. What a moronic and insulting thing to say.

mark kibort

Thanks Guys.. Im pretty pumped up to run with some of the guys i knew in World Challenge and some of the faster club guys that i was always just behind. I'm thinking with the new tires, i might be able to shave off a second and move up a few spots . Either way, a bunch of people are coming out to see it and are exited to see the ole 928 out there among all the newer and pro level hardware.

GT2 is a national class, but it includes some tube framed cars (nascar like) and Transam. they have not done anything to really help with parity, to make it even but its still a fun race with a showcase of all the sports cars that we have all seen and grown up with......they are mostly production based, but dont have more than 500hp.and the transam cars TA2, and the nascar like cars, who knows what they were thinking with them. probably all should be in with the GT1, but that wouldnt be fair to run TA1 and TA2 together, so they run GT2.

mark kibort

I'm still laughing over this post Greg. Hey, better tell 75% of the Formula 1 teams that they can just stay home and save hundreds of MILLIONS of dollars!! $$$$$$$! This is something you would think an 90 year old badminton champion would say, who has never even seen a race car or an auto race.

anyway.... here is the entry list: https://www.motorsportreg.com/index....5C5DF550E121B5

and some pics of the some of the cars in the race

hacker-pschorr

Ok, who hijacked Greg's keyboard.

mark kibort

Greg, another athlete made a comment that describes a problem that you might have with the sport of racing

SwayBar

Greg, you are such an AZZ sometimes.

Jim Devine

In the original Can Am series, I worked on an independent McLaren., the car in my avatar. Despite being an ex McLaren team car & the series champ in 1970, we stood no chance of winning. We got a couple of top 5's & lots of top 10's.
The only cars that stood a chance of winning unless something went wrong were Denny Hulme and Peter Revson in the team Mclarens, with Jackie Stewart in the works Lola in the mix.
None of the other cars stood much of a chance. Would have been pretty boring if they only had a 3 car grid.
When the 917-10 arrived we dropped further down, although once in a while we could out qualify the independent 917-10's - Peter Gregg , Willi Kausen
When the 917- 30 arrived, everyone else should have stayed home. No one had a chance of winning

mark kibort

Greg might take note on something most everyone knows, but him........
yep, and all my years of racing ive had plenty of class wins, tons and tons (almost literally because of all the plaques and trophies) of podiums, but nothing really matters unless you are having some good racing. Looks good on the racing resume, but those out there in the races, know who is a fighter and who isnt. what car is a beast and what car is not. and, most of all , what car is most interesting and competitive. We all , as racers just love to race and i think we alll do a little "self classing" because classing in racing isnt always fair, if you dont have a mainstream car. sometimes it can be unfair to others if they are given too man concessions to a non mainstream car..........like the NSX this season for T1.. watch the NSX mop up all the normal champions this year at sonoma.. you heard it hear first...........NSX to win T1 championship sonoma 2018!

IcemanG17

It will be interesting to see the handling improvement brand new michelin slicks make for MK..... Could be a new personal best...Granted I never had the chance to try fresh hoosiers vs my used pirelli slick, but the used pirelli slick was quoted as about 1 second per lap slower than brand new ones...I loved them...held grip right until the end when they would cord, which typically was around 2-2.5 hours on track for me...not bad for $2000 tires I got for free to $200 a set...

I tried used michelins, but they were smaller and were fine on the front of the car, but awful on the rear....horrible breakaway oversteer almost impossible to catch...

GregBBRD

I guess I just have never had the thrill of being a mid pack "also ran" or a lower level athlete.....I makes me sad that I've lead such an incomplete life to miss out on the thrill of planning on finishing 15th in a race or being eliminated in the first round of a competition. Damn!

In the 25 years I club raced a Porsche, I never went to any event with the thought that I wouldn't win my class or set fast time of the weekend....never.

When I crewed for professional race teams, I never went to a single race with the thought that we couldn't win....never.

Of the dozens of race cars I've worked on, over the years, I've never sent a car to the track that didn't have a great chance of winning their class that weekend....never ever.

Wow....And to think I really missed out by never thinking "I'm such a looser, I plan to loose....badly", like you do!

What a thrill that must be, for you!

I'm trying to imagine how much more successful I'd have been if I'd advertised my shop and my abilities as being "I can build you a engine/car that will allow you to finish in the middle of the pack!"

That's got such a great appeal to clients!


(Just to be clear, I've never had anything to do with Mark Anderson's efforts to race, other than build him an occasional engine.)

If I had, he wouldn't have run **** fuel and have blown up two perfect race engines in a row.....

I can't control others being stupid!.

mark kibort

Greg, i love you ... you are the best, but clearly you are delusional. there are engine builders MUCH better than you, ,there are faster runners than me, better water skiers, better athelets, but the thrill of competition is what drives us. EVEN against the odds. thats it in a nut shell. sure, i could run ITE all season long and have been guranteed a championship, but what would that give me? im racing a 928. we are 928 people..........i got it clased in a national class first time in its existence. its 31 years old. what do you expect it to do out there based on the rules? it would never been a winner. even if you were my chief engineer and coach. But, it can be a heckof a lot of fun and a sense of pride to see it out there running among some much newer and better hardware. my race will be with the guys around me and thats what racing is all about.

Now if you want to look at racers that spend millions and millions of dollars and never win , look no farther than ALL pro racing series. (nascar, F1, etc) they , like me and many others, race to compete , be scene, and be apart of the sport. winning ist everything , its the only thing , is a tag line. its a dream for many. we all want to win, but we all know where we are going to end up. sometimes we can surprise ourselves and others by winning. thats a bonus . many pros will NEVER win a championship or even a race... so why do they race.........think before you answer.

by the way, you missed the part where i had mentioned winning national championships. so, its not like i dont have some experience in winning. it gives me perspective. the most exiting race i had was not winning, but was finishing mid pack... why do you think that was? hey, auto racing is different. Have you made it to the Olympic trials in any sport. Have you won a national championship in any sport? you are an armchair athlete with really NO experience in winning. you build great cars, but you are not a competitor. you dont even know why racers race. sad , really.