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Old 02-25-2019, 12:25 PM
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R12 is certainly not banned in the USA and is readily available if you have the correct credentials.
Small amounts - 3 or 4 cans - is a fairly simple sale and all you need is a 609 cert. Takes 15 mins to get it on line.
We stock and sell R12 by the can for $38.
I am sure the laws in CA are different but I do not live there.
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Old 02-26-2019, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Marti View Post
Not BS, science my friend.

There is a good reason it's ban but there is no accounting for stupidity in going on using it no matter the reasoning. Good thing for everyone that the removal of fresh supply of R12 eventually phases it out.
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True, but these are not as damaging to the ozone and like R12 should be disposed of responsibility
R-12 as a refrigerant isn't all that bad. Keep in mind that even R134 has to be recovered, not just vented into the atmosphere, at least by licensed shops.

The big problem with R12 is that it was used as a PROPELLANT in aerosol cans. So everyone spraying a pressurized can of 'whatever' was venting R12 to the atmosphere. THAT is where all the damage came from.
Personally, I believe that if they had banned it as a propellant, and continued to allow it as a refrigerant (with proper recovery systems in place) then the problem would have been solved.

If it's not vented, it doesn't do damage. If the shop charges the A/C properly, they don't vent it.
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Old 02-26-2019, 03:39 PM
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When I spoke to several AC shops about recovering my R-134, they all declined. One said they won't do it because it will likely contaminate their recovery tank, thus making it useless for them to use on other cars. All I've ever seen is disbursed to air, although I don't see it done with the customer standing around.
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Old 02-26-2019, 03:46 PM
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I seem to vent about 1/4 can per year of R12.

#Breakinthelaw

As long as I can still get cans, ill stay R12.

Im considering Gregs AC upgrade system..then may may do R134.
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Old 02-26-2019, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by docmirror View Post
When I spoke to several AC shops about recovering my R-134, they all declined. One said they won't do it because it will likely contaminate their recovery tank, thus making it useless for them to use on other cars. All I've ever seen is disbursed to air, although I don't see it done with the customer standing around.
That's because everyone grabs a can of that R-134a with sealant from Vatozone and shoves it in the car. I wouldn't do it either.
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Old 02-26-2019, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SwedeInSiam View Post
Still available and legal in Thailand. Bought this for US$75 a few months ago.

If youre still there in June, I could stop down to see you.


And maybe ship a can home..hahaha.
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Old 02-27-2019, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Speedtoys View Post
If youre still there in June, I could stop down to see you.


And maybe ship a can home..hahaha.
Maybe take one as carry-on luggage

Not sure if I'm home or back to work in June. Depend on schedule of my ship.
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