Would you trade your 928 for a Ferrari?
12-22-2003, 06:41 PM
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Would you trade your 928 for a Ferrari?
I just returned home from a 2 week Honeymoon in Hawaii and one day I had the pleasure of getting to drive a F355 around the Island....the wife would not let me take it back even though I asked her to...
Now, don't get me wrong, I am a crazy Porsche fan, but that car is by far the best all around performing car I have ever driven. Not lightning fast by any stretch, in fact I am sure the Bastard is much faster in a straight line, but it was all in how the entire car worked together....
Awesome Handling
Awesome Brakes
Awesome feel
Awesome, absolutely awesome sound!
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Just poking around the engine bay out back....AMPLE room for two rather large turbos and associated plumbing. Easy header setup with turbos. no problem. I need my own business and some wealthy investors to pull that one off! I'd be surprised if it has not already been done, there is TONS of room out back for crazy tricks!
It is a shame these cars cost so much, it would be brutal with 1/2 a bar of boost on that 4 cam monster engine. Jeez, I mean 3.5 liters NA with nearly 400 HP!
I'd better come back to earth because I don't think I'll be owning one any time soon.
Ferrari still strikes me as a mostly hand built low production car, like Porsches used to be....I think Porsche has lost a lot of the desire it once had with drivers....after they eliminated the 993, 928 and 968 none of the new cars do much for me at all.
Now, don't get me wrong, I am a crazy Porsche fan, but that car is by far the best all around performing car I have ever driven. Not lightning fast by any stretch, in fact I am sure the Bastard is much faster in a straight line, but it was all in how the entire car worked together....
Awesome Handling
Awesome Brakes
Awesome feel
Awesome, absolutely awesome sound!
Very Cool
Just poking around the engine bay out back....AMPLE room for two rather large turbos and associated plumbing. Easy header setup with turbos. no problem. I need my own business and some wealthy investors to pull that one off! I'd be surprised if it has not already been done, there is TONS of room out back for crazy tricks!
It is a shame these cars cost so much, it would be brutal with 1/2 a bar of boost on that 4 cam monster engine. Jeez, I mean 3.5 liters NA with nearly 400 HP!
I'd better come back to earth because I don't think I'll be owning one any time soon.
Ferrari still strikes me as a mostly hand built low production car, like Porsches used to be....I think Porsche has lost a lot of the desire it once had with drivers....after they eliminated the 993, 928 and 968 none of the new cars do much for me at all.
12-22-2003, 06:59 PM
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I never used to big a fan of ferraris until fairly recently. they've always struck me as being rather flash, more of a lifestyle accessory than a serious driving car, although of course, they mostly are all drivers cars at the fore.
The type of ferrari would be very important. I love the mid 50's - mid 60's GT's, they are among the finest looking machines on this earth. the daytona and dino are also wonderful looking cars, and have wonderful sounding engines, which are IMHO nicer than the 928's. even as late as the 328GTS i still love them (aprt from the 308 and the mondial), but when you get to the testarossa it all strarts going wrong. they all look like they could have been drawn by an 8 year old with a ruler, rather than the eloquent desgins thay had been prviously. it was all about impact rather than form. then you get these round ones like the 360 modena, which just look like porsches except not as good. I also dont think ferraris are known for their durability like porsches are. then again, it would be one hell of a challenge, soince i've never really heard of any modified ferrari's. you'd have a perfect Q-car if you took a late 328 GTS and turbo'd it - you'd certainly surpirse a lot of people at traffic lights!
Personally, i might go italian as well. in a few years i might look at a anjother car, and i'm thinking of a Maserati Ghibli (the 1990's one), but its a long way off yet....
The type of ferrari would be very important. I love the mid 50's - mid 60's GT's, they are among the finest looking machines on this earth. the daytona and dino are also wonderful looking cars, and have wonderful sounding engines, which are IMHO nicer than the 928's. even as late as the 328GTS i still love them (aprt from the 308 and the mondial), but when you get to the testarossa it all strarts going wrong. they all look like they could have been drawn by an 8 year old with a ruler, rather than the eloquent desgins thay had been prviously. it was all about impact rather than form. then you get these round ones like the 360 modena, which just look like porsches except not as good. I also dont think ferraris are known for their durability like porsches are. then again, it would be one hell of a challenge, soince i've never really heard of any modified ferrari's. you'd have a perfect Q-car if you took a late 328 GTS and turbo'd it - you'd certainly surpirse a lot of people at traffic lights!
Personally, i might go italian as well. in a few years i might look at a anjother car, and i'm thinking of a Maserati Ghibli (the 1990's one), but its a long way off yet....
12-22-2003, 07:07 PM
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Ferrari still strikes me as a mostly hand built low production car, like Porsches used to be....I think Porsche has lost a lot of the desire it once had with drivers....after they eliminated the 993, 928 and 968 none of the new cars do much for me at all.
I think contemporary ferraris are passionless vehicles - given the choice, i'd have an Aston Martin! They look, sound and feel much better!
12-22-2003, 07:26 PM
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I've been told that most of the Ferraris are fun to drive OR own. Not the two combined.
If I had enough money I'd probably get a 575 Modificata though. But only because Porsche has stopped producing cars witht the 928 basic layout.
If I had enough money I'd probably get a 575 Modificata though. But only because Porsche has stopped producing cars witht the 928 basic layout.
12-22-2003, 07:29 PM
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I was wondering if you'd ever come back. Sounds like fun.
The Ferrari thing. Well, the guy I bought my 928 from also had an '86 Testarossa. First, it would have to be a car in very poor condition to trade across for a 928, considering our cars are so inexpensive. And second, he said he wanted another 928 some day. The Testa has like 2" of ground clearance, and he just really loved 928's.
I think my answer would be no.
I like metal. Plastic bugs me.
The Ferrari thing. Well, the guy I bought my 928 from also had an '86 Testarossa. First, it would have to be a car in very poor condition to trade across for a 928, considering our cars are so inexpensive. And second, he said he wanted another 928 some day. The Testa has like 2" of ground clearance, and he just really loved 928's.
I think my answer would be no.
I like metal. Plastic bugs me.
12-22-2003, 07:34 PM
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I remember when I bought my shark.
Open the garage door and next to my two 84 S2 was an 87 Ferrari 308 GTS - or GT? Cant remember.
Blue in color and only needed a little detail work to make sharp -
I compared both cars as they sat next to each other and I liked the look of my shark better, plus IMHO, it has a better motor.
Also, if I could afford a 355 - I'd probably have a pole barn full of 928's
Open the garage door and next to my two 84 S2 was an 87 Ferrari 308 GTS - or GT? Cant remember.
Blue in color and only needed a little detail work to make sharp -
I compared both cars as they sat next to each other and I liked the look of my shark better, plus IMHO, it has a better motor.
Also, if I could afford a 355 - I'd probably have a pole barn full of 928's
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12-22-2003, 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by Sterling
Norwoods does twin turbo's on frearri's all the time. want a 900 hp monster? give them a call. I would never trade my 928 for a ferarri. their parts are crazy stupid expensive, and the cars are flimsy.......in my opinion... I've seen a few of them torn way down, and even a few after being hit.... they are nto near as solid as the 928....
Norwoods does twin turbo's on frearri's all the time. want a 900 hp monster? give them a call. I would never trade my 928 for a ferarri. their parts are crazy stupid expensive, and the cars are flimsy.......in my opinion... I've seen a few of them torn way down, and even a few after being hit.... they are nto near as solid as the 928....
Before I bought my 93 stroked GTS I was dealing w/ a guy that had an 83 512 boxer twin turbo done by Norwood. Awesome numbers for an older Ferrari. Ultimately, the guy thoroughly pissed me off in the negotiations and I went w/ Mark Anderson instead. I eventually realised that different cars have different kind of owners, for a reason.
Do I regret it? Freakin' Ah! But the 928 is still one of my all time favorites.
12-22-2003, 08:18 PM
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I was just discussing this on the 996 TT forum. Here is the jest:
Kind of off topic but it is a service related question. Anyway, I see you also have a F355. How would you rate the F355 in terms of quality as compared to your Porsche? How about the quality of service from your dealer? I would assume you go to Ferrari of Dallas in Plano?
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Matt: "I haven't had any problems with the 355, but it is rarely driven (think i've got maybe 5,000 miles on it I keep it in California where I only spend a month or two a year, so don't get service from Ferrari Dallas (although the new facility is nice). I can tell you that the Ferrari has cost 10 times more to maintain (primarily due to the $5,000 engine overhaul). "
I don't find the cars comparable in any way, really - the 996tt is much faster, more civilized, MUCH less maintenance, better overall quality (all but the first reasons the TT isn't considered an exotic by many). I've got a tubi exhaust on the 355, and man is it awesome. Top down, cruisin in 72 deg weather with that awesome sound - it's the only reason I've held onto the car. You just can't get that sound out of a car with those souped up vacuum cleaners spooling up every time you hit the gas pedal."
Why did you need to overhaul your engine? How many miles?
Matt: "It's the regaular service which Ferrari's need every 10,000 - 12,000 miles or 4-5 yrs. I believe the expensive part is changing out the engine belts, which requires removing the engine."
Man, makes me want to go get a Ferrari. That's just freakin' crazy stupid that you have to take the engine out to service the belts.
Why in the hell would anyone want to own a Ferrari? I haven't found one that I can fit in and it looks to be a good thing. Love the looks of Ferrari's but it appears that the horror stories are true.
Matt: "Well put. Unlikely I'll own another. "
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Kind of off topic but it is a service related question. Anyway, I see you also have a F355. How would you rate the F355 in terms of quality as compared to your Porsche? How about the quality of service from your dealer? I would assume you go to Ferrari of Dallas in Plano?
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Matt: "I haven't had any problems with the 355, but it is rarely driven (think i've got maybe 5,000 miles on it I keep it in California where I only spend a month or two a year, so don't get service from Ferrari Dallas (although the new facility is nice). I can tell you that the Ferrari has cost 10 times more to maintain (primarily due to the $5,000 engine overhaul). "
I don't find the cars comparable in any way, really - the 996tt is much faster, more civilized, MUCH less maintenance, better overall quality (all but the first reasons the TT isn't considered an exotic by many). I've got a tubi exhaust on the 355, and man is it awesome. Top down, cruisin in 72 deg weather with that awesome sound - it's the only reason I've held onto the car. You just can't get that sound out of a car with those souped up vacuum cleaners spooling up every time you hit the gas pedal."
Why did you need to overhaul your engine? How many miles?
Matt: "It's the regaular service which Ferrari's need every 10,000 - 12,000 miles or 4-5 yrs. I believe the expensive part is changing out the engine belts, which requires removing the engine."
Man, makes me want to go get a Ferrari. That's just freakin' crazy stupid that you have to take the engine out to service the belts.
Why in the hell would anyone want to own a Ferrari? I haven't found one that I can fit in and it looks to be a good thing. Love the looks of Ferrari's but it appears that the horror stories are true.
Matt: "Well put. Unlikely I'll own another. "
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12-22-2003, 08:39 PM
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I don't know about trading my 928 or my S4s, but I would definately like to own a ferrari at some point in my life. It would be used, and I would work on it myself as much as possible, but there are several that I would love to own: 355, 360, 265gtb, and a few others. I feel the same way about Lambos, Astons, Maseratis, .... I just love cars with character!
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12-22-2003, 09:47 PM
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My 88 S4 is my daily driver.
Mixed highway and getting into town NYC traffic.
Anyone dare drive a Ferrari as a daily driver.
Anyone?
Had considered a 400i manual very briefly.
400i doesn't look like a Ferrari. Has one of those to-die-for
V-12 in the front.
I just imagined driving in traffic jam in summer with AC on.
How soon should I be expecting steam emanating from the hood.
Drove my S4 through last last week's blizzard. Bad planning on my part.
Michelin snows helped. But couldn't imagine a Ferrari going snow ploughing.
Where can I get PSD retrofit cheeeeep. :-)
Wish Porsche had continued the 928 line and added a front transaxle.
No room to get a Audi front transaxle to make 928Quattro heh. (What heresy)
Ernest (NYC) 928 halftrack
Mixed highway and getting into town NYC traffic.
Anyone dare drive a Ferrari as a daily driver.
Anyone?
Had considered a 400i manual very briefly.
400i doesn't look like a Ferrari. Has one of those to-die-for
V-12 in the front.
I just imagined driving in traffic jam in summer with AC on.
How soon should I be expecting steam emanating from the hood.
Drove my S4 through last last week's blizzard. Bad planning on my part.
Michelin snows helped. But couldn't imagine a Ferrari going snow ploughing.
Where can I get PSD retrofit cheeeeep. :-)
Wish Porsche had continued the 928 line and added a front transaxle.
No room to get a Audi front transaxle to make 928Quattro heh. (What heresy)
Ernest (NYC) 928 halftrack
12-22-2003, 10:01 PM
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Kind of a side step here......
Interestingly, a "step" grandparent bought and owned a '56 racing Ferrari, from new, including the factory trailer. I don't know the model number, sorry. The family still knows where that car is.
Used to be, when we went to functions at their house, I'd go drool over it, in it's many different forms of disassembly, along side of the Bently and Maserati. Don't know where those two other cars are though...
Wish I had that kind of money, then and NOW!
Interestingly, a "step" grandparent bought and owned a '56 racing Ferrari, from new, including the factory trailer. I don't know the model number, sorry. The family still knows where that car is.
Used to be, when we went to functions at their house, I'd go drool over it, in it's many different forms of disassembly, along side of the Bently and Maserati. Don't know where those two other cars are though...
Wish I had that kind of money, then and NOW!
12-22-2003, 11:10 PM
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I have owned two Ferraris in between 928 ownership had each for about 6 months. Great cars and aesthetically beautiful. However, I won't be ashamed to admit that I was paranoid of repair costs. I never incurred anything major, but it was always in the back of my mind as I pushed the cars toward 7000 rpm. Also, on the early carbed models, warm up took about 10 minutes of low RPM driving to reach operating temp where you could let it rip. Most of my fun car driving is less than 10 minutes on a semi daily basis so I could not enjoy the car too often. I don't believe in garage queens. Parts are quite ridiculous. On the 308, I had to get a rear brake caliper seal kit: 6 rubber o-rings cost me $85. The 512bb never gave me a problem but the PO had just spent $35k on an engine/trans rebuild from Norwoods in Dallas. If you ever get a chance to own one...do it. I will own another someday when my lifestyle permits 10 minute warm up before letting it fly.
Nothing sounds as good as a 12-cyl Ferrari at 6500 rpm!
Nothing sounds as good as a 12-cyl Ferrari at 6500 rpm!
12-23-2003, 12:29 AM
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As a current owner of a '93 348tb Challenge car, luckily I don't have to trade my 928 for a Ferrari...To be honest about it, only 928 GTS owners can actually "trade" for a Ferrari (maybe for a nice 328GTS if they are lucky).
I've owned several P-cars over the last 20 years starting with a 944 back in '85...up to a 911 Carrera Euro Turbo-look 3.2L I raced that 911 in local driving schools for a few years and it was the most fun car I've ever driven......up until the Ferrari 348 (V8 350HP modified to race in the Ferrari Challenge Series).
The 348tb is the kind of street/race car that Porsche USED to build, before they started over-engineering the heck out of their cars...The Ferrari 348 on the other hand is more primitive, less comfortable than a 928, not very forgiving at the limit, but with an engine that loves to rev up to the redline. The car is also lightweight, low to the ground and very stiff...It's built for the race track first and foremost and then for street comfort. The closest Porsche car I can compare it in terms of driving feel would be the '85 911 Euro Carrera 3.2....
I've been lucky enough to live in the same town as the Rob Dyson Racing team (they used to race Ferraris, Porsche 962 and currently Ford, Lola/LMP in the ALMS circuit), so I have become familiar with their operation and occasional help and advise from his top mechanics....they have prepared the 348 Challenge for racing several times. A team test driver has raced the 348 a few times at Pocono and Lime Rock. I personally have not raced it on the track, except for driving school. It's a very fast and brutal car that requires a skilled driver to drive it at the limit.
Personally I've have good luck with the 348 (knock on wood) so far...I've done the engine-out belt service last year (a very expensive proposition indeed) at 17K miles...and a rebuilt of a failed starter motor....Next year will be tires/brakes replacement. The car is built solid and has been very reliable for me. Just like the P-928 cars it suffers from electrical problems much more than mechanical faults. The Ferrari V8 3.4L engine is virtually bulletproof and very robust. However all new parts are SUPER expensive from the FNA dealers and used spares are hard to find but it's cheaper to get parts from Europe!! Go figure...
Enjoy the Holidays and happy motoring in '04
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I've owned several P-cars over the last 20 years starting with a 944 back in '85...up to a 911 Carrera Euro Turbo-look 3.2L I raced that 911 in local driving schools for a few years and it was the most fun car I've ever driven......up until the Ferrari 348 (V8 350HP modified to race in the Ferrari Challenge Series).
The 348tb is the kind of street/race car that Porsche USED to build, before they started over-engineering the heck out of their cars...The Ferrari 348 on the other hand is more primitive, less comfortable than a 928, not very forgiving at the limit, but with an engine that loves to rev up to the redline. The car is also lightweight, low to the ground and very stiff...It's built for the race track first and foremost and then for street comfort. The closest Porsche car I can compare it in terms of driving feel would be the '85 911 Euro Carrera 3.2....
I've been lucky enough to live in the same town as the Rob Dyson Racing team (they used to race Ferraris, Porsche 962 and currently Ford, Lola/LMP in the ALMS circuit), so I have become familiar with their operation and occasional help and advise from his top mechanics....they have prepared the 348 Challenge for racing several times. A team test driver has raced the 348 a few times at Pocono and Lime Rock. I personally have not raced it on the track, except for driving school. It's a very fast and brutal car that requires a skilled driver to drive it at the limit.
Personally I've have good luck with the 348 (knock on wood) so far...I've done the engine-out belt service last year (a very expensive proposition indeed) at 17K miles...and a rebuilt of a failed starter motor....Next year will be tires/brakes replacement. The car is built solid and has been very reliable for me. Just like the P-928 cars it suffers from electrical problems much more than mechanical faults. The Ferrari V8 3.4L engine is virtually bulletproof and very robust. However all new parts are SUPER expensive from the FNA dealers and used spares are hard to find but it's cheaper to get parts from Europe!! Go figure...
Enjoy the Holidays and happy motoring in '04
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12-23-2003, 02:49 AM
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I have never owned a Ferrari but I do have a knowledge of the one you refer to. I sold this F355 on Ebay and over and over again the prospectives would put the car down in terms of reliability and cost of up keep. I guess the idea of owning one is that important to some people.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2433196338
If you ask me Lamborghini's and Ferrari's make no sense. You pay out the *** , you lose out the *** and you are always having problems. (most people seem to have this routine) Why? For the Hundreds of Thou you pay would it be inconceivable to make it perfect and without so many problems? Maybe its part of the big plan. You buy the car and get railroaded when services are needed. They know it has to be done and know your left with no choice or it will get worse. It costs 7k just to change the clutch in a F355. Call me crazy but thats crazy. Its like playing Russian roulette with a shotgun.
If you want more bang for the buck.
Then look at STERLINGS "Mako Shark" (it fits). His car is the baddest looking thing I have ever seen AND SCREAMS to be driven daily. I do not now what he has put into it but when its all said and done , his will be one of a kind and probably just has hair raising as any Ferrari at the fraction of the cost. Granted ,Ferrari's are nice to look at but I bet like some folks here have said" the stress of the future service" takes away some of the joy of already losing 50K the day you drove it off the dealership.
Get a low mile S4 and do a "Sharkamation" and get ready for years of joy and not years of "Honey, Christmas has been cancelled again due to an untimely clutch replacement"......
Just my 3,000,000 cents worth of certain services.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2433196338
If you ask me Lamborghini's and Ferrari's make no sense. You pay out the *** , you lose out the *** and you are always having problems. (most people seem to have this routine) Why? For the Hundreds of Thou you pay would it be inconceivable to make it perfect and without so many problems? Maybe its part of the big plan. You buy the car and get railroaded when services are needed. They know it has to be done and know your left with no choice or it will get worse. It costs 7k just to change the clutch in a F355. Call me crazy but thats crazy. Its like playing Russian roulette with a shotgun.
If you want more bang for the buck.
Then look at STERLINGS "Mako Shark" (it fits). His car is the baddest looking thing I have ever seen AND SCREAMS to be driven daily. I do not now what he has put into it but when its all said and done , his will be one of a kind and probably just has hair raising as any Ferrari at the fraction of the cost. Granted ,Ferrari's are nice to look at but I bet like some folks here have said" the stress of the future service" takes away some of the joy of already losing 50K the day you drove it off the dealership.
Get a low mile S4 and do a "Sharkamation" and get ready for years of joy and not years of "Honey, Christmas has been cancelled again due to an untimely clutch replacement"......
Just my 3,000,000 cents worth of certain services.