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Old 10-04-2016 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Paulyy
Makes it easier for a hydraulic clutch conversion.

P.s you mean for the ROW as you guys are the only one who still use that nonsense.
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You guys are just that crazy uncle that ended up in prison
Old 10-04-2016 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by morghen
Great performance as in keeping up with modern racers of their class to be more precise.
Heavier and faster cars needs bigger brakes.
If you plan on having a fast car, yes you need big brakes and the stock ones wont work as you want.
I did not think you're aiming for a supercar killer...i was thinking you're going to run the stock 2L motor to be honest.
Looking forward to see what power will this car put on the ground.

But like i said, arms are identical, you can use them...but if you're going to run the car rally hard you might want to box the front arms. Look for how to do that on 924board.org

There's a few things here M you mention which don't read right or logically to me?

"Great performance as in keeping up with modern racers of their class to be more precise."

Modern to me means Brand NEw cars? and even a reasonable small Diesel hatchback will handle and brake better than a 40 year old 924 2.0 , why wouldn't it?

In Racing classes, for example here in the UK we have Future and Modern Classics the 924. 944 and 968's all run with similar decade period cars, not with modern cars? So again any Porsche Transaxle would not keep up or be as good as a modern sportscar.

"Heavier and faster cars needs bigger brakes."

Lightweight Faster cars benefit from them too, or even slower cars with poor brakes etc...so a more powerful braking system doesn;t always have to be on heavy or Fast cars or both?

"I did not think you're aiming for a supercar killer.."

No Porsche Transaxle is a Supercar Killer? It's no comparison , they can be however upgraded to be as fast as some Modern machinery, but not supercars... My car is close to E36 M3 Performance, but when you start talking
about the Modern twin turbo Diesels like BMW produce and also the Audi 4 wheel Drive Turbo's S1, RS4 etc...these are all long gone when driven well, which brings up a point that many powerful car owners can't drive fast well! I've had more grief from drivers in small cars and Vans that are proper crazy and seem to have a deathwish!

The Aluminium early 944 Front Wishbones are stronger and lighter than the Steel ones, as are the Rear trailing arms...

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Old 10-04-2016 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by morghen
Great performance as in keeping up with modern racers of their class to be more precise.
Heavier and faster car needs bigger brakes.
If you plan on having a fast car, yes you need big brakes and the stock ones wont work as you want.
I did not think you're aiming for a supercar killer...i was thinking you're going to run the stock 2L motor to be honest.
Looking forward to see what power will this car put on the ground.

But like i said, arms are identical, you can use them...but if you're going to run the car rally hard you might want to box the front arms. Look for how to do that on 924board.org
I have a thread on both 924.org and the 944 turbo section (only because those guys are more into the turbocharging and custom work ect) if you want to see what i'm upto with it.
Its still going to be the 2L but turbocharged with 9.5:1 CR it will be 350-400rwhp. depending on how far i take it.
Im building a reliable track car chassis and also want to see how far i can take the 2L engine.

But big brakes at least 944 turbo size are a must.
Old 10-04-2016 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 924srr27l
The Aluminium early 944 Front Wishbones are stronger and lighter than the Steel ones, as are the Rear trailing arms...

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stronger is a hard word to quantify, but the aluminum stuff is definitely STIFFER than the steel parts, which is what you want for precise suspension control. and the alu. rear arms are something like 30 lbs (!) lighter than the steel arms, per pair.

the only downside to the aluminum stuff is the nature of the cast material means it is more brittle and can break if impacted hard or overstressed, where the fabricated steel parts on 924/early 944 would merely bend.

i concede it is a very unlikely thing to occur in even a hard-driven street car, but there have been some surprise failures on the track of the aluminum parts when in a crash or hitting a gator too hard.
Old 10-04-2016 | 02:32 PM
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Roger, I think you're exagerating a bit but fair point that the modern machines are much evolved.
But lets not ruin the guy's topic with pointless arguments.

Paul, I'm very happy you're willing to give the old iron lump a try.
If you do it right you can get that power reliably.
It has been done by some other members so its possible.
Old 10-05-2016 | 01:09 AM
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Just to clarify for the ali arms, the '86 were the shorter early offset ones and the '87< are longer late offset. S2(?)/Turbo and 968 also had mounting points for brake deflectors.

I had seam welded steel arms on my '80 924 turbo. They are cheap compared to the ali arms and cheaper/easier to rebuild.

I do agree that 944 brakes are very good, but with my road orientated 944 with slotted discs, good pads and fluid my problem was with brake fade after 3 fast laps.
Old 10-06-2016 | 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Paulyy
But big brakes at least 944 turbo size are a must.
Pauly, how easy/hard is it for you to source 951 hubs/spindles/calipers down under?
Old 10-06-2016 | 12:49 PM
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We've got a few Porsche wreckers down here. And i know a few people that have "stuff" laying around. haven't had trouble getting 944 parts down here yet.



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