Realistically, what's the cost of ownership look like for 924's / 944's?
05-02-2015, 12:51 PM
#47
Where I live, salaries have only gone down in the last 20 years. I was over 100 back then.
And the 2007 Camry just hit us with a $1700 bill. Nothing cheap about those junk boxes.
05-02-2015, 03:56 PM
#48
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I'd go you one better on that analysis; when taken care of they both earn and deserve the title "supercar". Have other's been built since? Yes. Are they cheaper? No. Is that an indictment of value? No.
You can buy a cheaper car on spec these days that will beat a 30 year old supercar, but V996 has already proven a lack of understanding in that areana, this is someone who thinks a NA 1985 911 could ever beat a race prepared NA 928 on a track. It's never going to happen. The suspension is better, the weight distribution is better, the god damned console clock is better
Porsche didn't race the 928 because they were scared. They scared themselves. With the 928.
You can buy a cheaper car on spec these days that will beat a 30 year old supercar, but V996 has already proven a lack of understanding in that areana, this is someone who thinks a NA 1985 911 could ever beat a race prepared NA 928 on a track. It's never going to happen. The suspension is better, the weight distribution is better, the god damned console clock is better
Porsche didn't race the 928 because they were scared. They scared themselves. With the 928.
05-02-2015, 04:17 PM
#49
I'd go you one better on that analysis; when taken care of they both earn and deserve the title "supercar". Have other's been built since? Yes. Are they cheaper? No. Is that an indictment of value? No.
You can buy a cheaper car on spec these days that will beat a 30 year old supercar, but V996 has already proven a lack of understanding in that areana, this is someone who thinks a NA 1985 911 could ever beat a race prepared NA 928 on a track. It's never going to happen. The suspension is better, the weight distribution is better, the god damned console clock is better
Porsche didn't race the 928 because they were scared. They scared themselves. With the 928.
You can buy a cheaper car on spec these days that will beat a 30 year old supercar, but V996 has already proven a lack of understanding in that areana, this is someone who thinks a NA 1985 911 could ever beat a race prepared NA 928 on a track. It's never going to happen. The suspension is better, the weight distribution is better, the god damned console clock is better
Porsche didn't race the 928 because they were scared. They scared themselves. With the 928.
And re: reliability, I'll own up to it, some of the older 911s have some major, major issues and the 928 is probably more reliable than those. However they definitely have a lot more things that can go wrong than a 944, especially electrically. They were luxury supercars and will cost a pretty penny to get running again.
05-03-2015, 01:01 AM
#50
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Go for it. I'm all ears. I'll warn you though that I own two of them, one that I've dissected in vivo and one I've owned since 1986, so be prepared to have bull**** called on you if you slip up
What were those "electrical" problems the 928 doesn't share with the 944 and 924 again?
Last edited by Otto Mechanic; 05-03-2015 at 01:35 AM.
05-03-2015, 01:05 AM
#51
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In my dreams. It was right there between the lines. You didn't see it? Come on, just because we closed down one fascinating debate on the possible value of a 924S doesn't mean we can't have another. I'm a long time dyed in the wool devotee of the 928. You're a heathen 911 lover. Let's do this?
Last edited by Otto Mechanic; 05-03-2015 at 01:28 AM.
05-03-2015, 02:00 AM
#52
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National secrets and all. How much are they paying you to keep that water fueled carburetor of yours off the market?
05-03-2015, 02:26 AM
#53
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05-03-2015, 02:45 AM
#54
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Speaking of high mileage 928s, I drove an 86 with 8xx,xxx miles. The trans was gone, but that thing still sounded good.
To the OP, I think I already posted in this thread, but you can easily see the the wide spectrum of experiences with these cars. The bottom line is that after 3 decades, you are at the mercy of whatever replacement parts were used and the quality of the labor done to install them because very few original parts remain on the cars that have been driven. If you are even asking this question in the first place, an old foreign car in general is a bad idea unless you are handy with a wrench and have free time.
To the OP, I think I already posted in this thread, but you can easily see the the wide spectrum of experiences with these cars. The bottom line is that after 3 decades, you are at the mercy of whatever replacement parts were used and the quality of the labor done to install them because very few original parts remain on the cars that have been driven. If you are even asking this question in the first place, an old foreign car in general is a bad idea unless you are handy with a wrench and have free time.
05-04-2015, 06:07 PM
#55
Doing your own work saves a lot of money.
05-04-2015, 09:03 PM
#56
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The first car I ever owned was a 1.7L 914 that soon became a 1.8L after I accidentally downshifted from 4th to 3rd and dumped the clutch during a fun race with a TR7 on Hwy 1 between Santa Cruz and San Francisco back in 1978. Later I put a 2.4L 911S engine in it and built the body and suspension up to 916 specs. I called it my "flexy flier". It was one of the most awesome cars I've ever driven.
By 1986 I'd sold my 914/916 and bought 928 S3. There's no way to improve that car so I've just maintained it. 4 years ago I found another '85 S3 in a swamp in Florida, it's a donor car, someday it may end up on the track...
In 1989 I found a neglected 931 for a song. Six months of restoration and the day I was giving it to my wife, it was destroyed by a drunken lunatic in a Fiat 124 sedan (the Italian answer to the Datsun 510). I will never have any love for Fiats again.
Last year I found a pristine 1989 944 S2 and though I've never driven her, I have great expectations. Someday I hope to own a 1989/90 944 Turbo S. Afer that I intend to die
+1 on that. If you don't work on your own car you don't really own it in my opinion, you lease it from your mechanic
Last edited by Otto Mechanic; 05-04-2015 at 09:18 PM.
05-05-2015, 11:15 AM
#57
Well, I recovered my steering wheel and installed a new shift boot, so i really think that I am digging in there and making the car my own.
Yesterday, recovering from a nasty five day late season flu, I researched the dreaded rear hatch glass seal delam problem. I have 1mm of air gap under the top edge of the hatch glass, giving a nice ram air (or water) effect. Debating tackling that myself or letting glass pros have a "crack" at it.
Now that I added everything that I have wanted to my XC70 and VFR800, I guess I needed a new project.