Realistically, what's the cost of ownership look like for 924's / 944's?
04-30-2015 | 03:12 PM
#31
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If you'd like to find the "grownups" in the room, visit the 928 forum. Seriously. Oh, the 928 has a Mercedes transmission. It truly steps out of the VW/Porsche/Audi gene pool. Not quite so far as Detroit, but it steps out.
04-30-2015 | 03:45 PM
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talk about a way to get hurt... Geebus, i had one of those.
i don't want to say the swear words....
i found out the hard way; a 928 is a massive commitment for a part time car.
my 944S for a 100 k miles before half of you were born.
my 968 did over 120 transcon or 1/2 transcon missions.
fugg I'm gotting old.
i don't want to say the swear words....
i found out the hard way; a 928 is a massive commitment for a part time car.
my 944S for a 100 k miles before half of you were born.
my 968 did over 120 transcon or 1/2 transcon missions.
fugg I'm gotting old.
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04-30-2015 | 04:07 PM
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talk about a way to get hurt... Geebus, i had one of those.
i don't want to say the swear words....
i found out the hard way; a 928 is a massive commitment for a part time car.
my 944S for a 100 k miles before half of you were born.
my 968 did over 120 transcon or 1/2 transcon missions.
fugg I'm gotting old.
i don't want to say the swear words....
i found out the hard way; a 928 is a massive commitment for a part time car.
my 944S for a 100 k miles before half of you were born.
my 968 did over 120 transcon or 1/2 transcon missions.
fugg I'm gotting old.
What, oh most portentous one, are the relative risks of owning a hybrid LSx transplant in a 944 (along with a drive train never engineered for that kind of torque) vs. the lowly 928; purpose designed and built by an accepted world class engineering team tasked with creating the flagship car for an internationally esteemed high performance car manufacturer? Do tell?
Inquiring minds want to know...
PS: Don't forget to pass on your real world experiences with respect to the costs of hacking a 944 into a 928 in your back yard.
PPS: I own two 928s and a 944 S2, so don't think you can pull a fast one on this.
PPPS: I'm the original owner of one of those 1985 928s. Although I doubt it, it's actually possible I'm older than you are
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04-30-2015 | 04:25 PM
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Ya know Odur, I'd challenge you to put your mutant 944 on the track next to my '85 928 but in all honesty I don't track the 928. It was not developed as a track car by Porsche and suffers from that. It has the same oiling problems the 944 engine has amplified by 2 and while they can be corrected the development cost is too high. On an open road the 928 will knock the socks off any 944 built by the factory. It also will knock the socks off an LS1 Corvette, it's Motown counterpart.
These aren't opinions, they're documented facts. Can a 944 be built to beat a stock 928? Absolutely. Can a 928 be built to beat any 944 ever modified? Ask Her Dr. Kuhn...
These aren't opinions, they're documented facts. Can a 944 be built to beat a stock 928? Absolutely. Can a 928 be built to beat any 944 ever modified? Ask Her Dr. Kuhn...
04-30-2015 | 04:32 PM
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the 7 stages of 944T ownership *(from page 13 of the legendary "are all 911 guys ********* or what" thread)....
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...r-what-12.html
actually, that was pretty average. but there's something about the absurd powerplants of the 944T that just brings something out of me.
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...r-what-12.html
despite the 928's high top end, i think the 944 Turbo Cup cars in full tune were superior to the 928S4, and the combination of speed and handling, made them a true '80s supercar. exceeded only by the arrival of the 959 and F-40 (which blew the doors off everything, of course)....
the 944Ts were that good. and many still are.
sadly, over time, many of the 944Ts are tired, or have been neglected....
and if you get one that was *neglected, it can be one of the worst ****boxes ever.
luckily, most of the owners find the Parts Guy.... and his LA chop shop.
and after he cuts up a bunch of cars, many others are saved....
otherwise, i'm not convinced these cars are aging well.
for those who aren't so lucky....
the stages of ownership often goes something like this.....
1. uber enthusiasm. "i just got me a P O R S C H E !!" for pennies.
2. tuning envy. saving up to spend a few dozen thousand dollars and what
3. delusional.... "this will absolutely become the greatest P-car ever...."
4. apologist; making a thousand excuses on behalf of Porsche (to any and all posting their latest calamities on RL), and saying, (endlessly), galactically stupid things like; 'hey, if you do the routine mantenance the cars are great....." "oh, don't listen to that TROLL: you f_cked up somewhere and..... it..... that's the only reason why it could have broke....."
5. fed up..... for f_ck's sake, i got $40 k invested, what's another $10 or 15 K ??..... even though you know full well that throwing more money into the pit prolly won't solve anything.....
https://rennlist.com/forums/944-turb...mming-out.html
6. utterly, totally broke.... wife preparing divorce papers, "i coulda had a new Cayman," etc....
7. throwing in the towel.... suffered yet another blow, or worse, BANG !! .... you were hoping to get a few thousand outa 'her' to pay for a room (see #6) but now you're broke and the car has become another scrap roller...
now the wall of shame on RL;
and the somber words that you've heard so many times before, despite that you always thought it would be the other guy;
"yeah, getting out.... got a kid on the way, bigger house, wifey want's a pool (for her new bf LOL), lots of other plans now,"
—all included in your final post on the Turbo forum.... https://rennlist.com/forums/944-turb...-an-offer.html
of course, you'll be back from time to time, making an appearance here and there..... maybe offer a bit of keen advice to the newbies and others (at various stages of their own 944T cataclysms), talking about the good times, broken knuckles and how fast the cars are once all the go-fast parts are in and tuning is all squared away....
but,
to be fair, there are similar stories with many Porsche's.
you wanna see broken dreams? i skimmed from page 500 back to page 40 on the 928 forums, yesterday.
there's a few success stories with the 4 cylinder....
here's a very fast 944T....
the 944Ts were that good. and many still are.
sadly, over time, many of the 944Ts are tired, or have been neglected....
and if you get one that was *neglected, it can be one of the worst ****boxes ever.
luckily, most of the owners find the Parts Guy.... and his LA chop shop.
and after he cuts up a bunch of cars, many others are saved....
otherwise, i'm not convinced these cars are aging well.
for those who aren't so lucky....
the stages of ownership often goes something like this.....
1. uber enthusiasm. "i just got me a P O R S C H E !!" for pennies.
2. tuning envy. saving up to spend a few dozen thousand dollars and what
3. delusional.... "this will absolutely become the greatest P-car ever...."
4. apologist; making a thousand excuses on behalf of Porsche (to any and all posting their latest calamities on RL), and saying, (endlessly), galactically stupid things like; 'hey, if you do the routine mantenance the cars are great....." "oh, don't listen to that TROLL: you f_cked up somewhere and..... it..... that's the only reason why it could have broke....."
5. fed up..... for f_ck's sake, i got $40 k invested, what's another $10 or 15 K ??..... even though you know full well that throwing more money into the pit prolly won't solve anything.....
https://rennlist.com/forums/944-turb...mming-out.html
6. utterly, totally broke.... wife preparing divorce papers, "i coulda had a new Cayman," etc....
7. throwing in the towel.... suffered yet another blow, or worse, BANG !! .... you were hoping to get a few thousand outa 'her' to pay for a room (see #6) but now you're broke and the car has become another scrap roller...
now the wall of shame on RL;
and the somber words that you've heard so many times before, despite that you always thought it would be the other guy;
"yeah, getting out.... got a kid on the way, bigger house, wifey want's a pool (for her new bf LOL), lots of other plans now,"
—all included in your final post on the Turbo forum.... https://rennlist.com/forums/944-turb...-an-offer.html
of course, you'll be back from time to time, making an appearance here and there..... maybe offer a bit of keen advice to the newbies and others (at various stages of their own 944T cataclysms), talking about the good times, broken knuckles and how fast the cars are once all the go-fast parts are in and tuning is all squared away....
but,
to be fair, there are similar stories with many Porsche's.
you wanna see broken dreams? i skimmed from page 500 back to page 40 on the 928 forums, yesterday.
there's a few success stories with the 4 cylinder....
here's a very fast 944T....
you guys let OD in the room???
04-30-2015 | 04:40 PM
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Od, do you make a profession out of badmouthing cars you regularly cut up for scrap and throw in the garbage?
What you've described is the typical motorsports enthusiast. Well done. You can remove the terms Porsche and any model designations from your rant and substitute them with those of any other sports car manufacturer. Congratulations, you'd been nominated and accepted into the order of Masters of the Obvious.
What you've described is the typical motorsports enthusiast. Well done. You can remove the terms Porsche and any model designations from your rant and substitute them with those of any other sports car manufacturer. Congratulations, you'd been nominated and accepted into the order of Masters of the Obvious.
04-30-2015 | 04:43 PM
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04-30-2015 | 05:17 PM
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negligence blew up my '87S on Oct 31, 1994.
in any case, here's the mutant with her 6,349 cubic centimeters.
you all don't know this but, the project will soon be going to a whole nuther place.
I'd say more....
but the files are sealed for 75 years.
,
04-30-2015 | 06:46 PM
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I haven't owned a 928 but 99% of her owners have told me it is easily the worst car porsche has made in terms of reliability. A ridiculous amount of electrical gremlins to deal with... I mean you think the 944 is bad...
05-01-2015 | 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by BoulderGeek;12246712\
I'm just about 48, making 80K with no kids, and I finally think maybe I can afford a used 944.
05-02-2015 | 03:53 AM
#45
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There are thousands of 928s that are well into the 150k-300k mileage mark.
I've had a 928 in the family since 1978
love them! When taken care of, they are simply great reliable cars. When left to rot, the developer issues like any other old car. The people that complain about issues are usually the ones that bought a cheap neglected car.