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Old 10-29-2001, 12:07 AM
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Post 944 Vs. Civic 2.2L VTEC

I'm to lazy to find a Honda board, do any of you know the specs for a 95-01 civic 2 door 2.2L VTEC? I'm probably going to run him and win of course, just wondering how far in my rearview he'll be...
Old 10-29-2001, 12:33 AM
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I don't know, because Honda never produced a 2.2L civic in those years.

BTW, the '96-2000 cars are similar. But the '95 and 2001 cars are of a different vintage.

Assuming he has a '99-2000 Si, he will do 7.1 0-60, have a curb weight of 2612lbs, and have 160hp.
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ive raced my friends 00 si and have beat it a few times, he always pulls ahead by just a little, then we go into a turn and hes donefor
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The 2.2L VTEC is a 190-200 horsepower motor, depending on the year. It was not available in the Civic, but rather the Prelude. That doesn't mean people haven't put the motor in Civics. I know of several Civics that have the H22A (2.2L VTEC) motor in them. The Civic ('96-'00) weighs roughly 2600 pounds. Unless you have a 944 Turbo, you're done. The H22A (2.2L VTEC) is easily modified and there are ton of parts for it.

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Old 10-29-2001, 08:17 PM
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The ONLY Honda getting by my 944 on a back road is the S2000 or the NSX!
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My 83 Magna will blow your doors off :P 78 horses ain't much, but it's pushing less than 600 pounds.

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Old 10-29-2001, 08:54 PM
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I guess you guys didn't read the post in Racing about a Civic kicking the **** out of a 996 on track.
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Originally posted by John Kuhn:
<STRONG>The ONLY Honda getting by my 944 on a back road is the S2000 or the NSX!</STRONG>
What do you drive? Because a stock Integra Type R will out-handle a stock 996 at high speed. Of interesting note is the fact that a stock boxster will out handle them both.
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My stable includes:

1981 Twin Turbo 928
1983 944
1993 Audi S4
2000 Trek 1000 road bike

None of them answer to anything with a "Maxwell House" tail pipe. As for your comments about the type R Integra.....well please substantiate these claims with track times and/or performance specs. I highly doubt a 996 would roll over and let an Integra by...let's see we are talking an additional 100+ HP, and a boatload more torque in the Porsche. Not to even begin to mention torque steer of the front wheel drive Honda! On the track, the rear driver Porsche would kill the type R. Don't get me wrong, the Honda/Acura is a good car, but it just doesn't have the torque you need......like when you come out of a corner onto a straight. Why does it feel like I am pressing the pedal on a sewing machine every time I drive a 4 cyl. Honda?......because they lack torque, especially at low RPMs. As for the motorcycle statement, well that may be true, but remember a bike has little to no advantage in a corner over a car......my statement was not directed at motorcycles, sorry if I confused you.

I guess I am just tired of all these Asian cars with one windshield wiper, blue headlights, cheap wheels and an exhuast pipe bigger around than a Mack truck exhaust.
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It's not the cars themself that are the problem...but the drivers and all the people that supply the super-go-fast-ricer parts...
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Motorcycles out handle cars. Period. It is up to the driver/rider to show that though.
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Originally posted by John Kuhn:
<STRONG>As for your comments about the type R Integra.....well please substantiate these claims with track times and/or performance specs. I highly doubt a 996 would roll over and let an Integra by...let's see we are talking an additional 100+ HP, and a boatload more torque in the Porsche. Not to even begin to mention torque steer of the front wheel drive Honda! On the track, the rear driver Porsche would kill the type R.

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I guess I am just tired of all these Asian cars with one windshield wiper, blue headlights, cheap wheels and an exhuast pipe bigger around than a Mack truck exhaust.</STRONG>
My statement about the Boxster/996/ITR (Integra Type R) came from a review of "high speed handeling" done by a major international publication. I think it was R&T, but I don't remember for sure.

The ITR has no appreciable torque steer.

The ITR does not have any of the following:
  • only one windshield wiper (though the 2001 Mercedes E430 does)
  • blue headlights
  • cheap wheels
  • exhuast pipe bigger around than a Mack truck exhaust
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I wonder if their(R&T) definition of a good handling car is something with high limits (goes fast) or something that is well balanced/easy to drive fast..
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Why does it feel like I am pressing the pedal on a sewing machine every time I drive a 4 cyl. Honda?......because they lack torque, especially at low RPMs.
Nope John, its because just like my car (944-S) they make no power down low and on a track who gives a rats *** - you are going to live around redline anyway. If you are struggling with low revs, try downshifting - it does wonders.
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The Integra Type R came last in it's price category in October 2001 Motor magazine (Australian) Bang for your Buck competition. It's not that's it's slow, or handles badly, it's just worse than all the others. The competition is based on 0-60mph, 0-400m, 60mph-0 braking, track time and 4 judges votes after driving it around a race track a few times, the better handling car usually wins because of the amount of points the judges votes are worth. Unfortunately Porsche didn't have an entry this year, but last time I saw this competition the 996 won it's open price category comfortably.

So if the Integra comes last in a low price category how could it outhandle a 996?

Sam.


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