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Old 12-04-2011, 03:00 PM
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Default 944 S2 plastic oil sump pan ??

I was Looking through some of my old mags and came across a December 1988 edition of Christophorus focusing on the 944S2.The article states that the S2 would be fitted with a plastic sump to save weight.Well I have an 1989 S2 cab with an alloy sump and I can honestly say I have never seen one yet.So has anybody out there got one ?????

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Old 12-04-2011, 03:39 PM
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cost of producing a plastic sump probably pretty high for such a limited number of cars; not many S2s were built. not to mention no (that i know of) differences between S2 and other model oil pans, which they may have had a surplus of Al ones.

itd be cool though.
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plastic sounds like a terrible material to use, i know the turbo cup and maybe also the firehawk series cars used magnesium sumps, maybe thats what they meant.

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never seen one or heard of it. Probl got scrapped.
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And interesting idea but I wouldn't run one. I've seen a couple of 944s and a 928 bottom out hard and scrape the oil pan. The 928 wound up tearing a hole in its oil pan. Plastic just seems like it would exacerbate the problem.
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They probably meant the factory plastic oil pan baffle (internal) that all the late cars have.
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Originally Posted by ramius665
And interesting idea but I wouldn't run one. I've seen a couple of 944s and a 928 bottom out hard and scrape the oil pan. The 928 wound up tearing a hole in its oil pan. Plastic just seems like it would exacerbate the problem.
yea but even a titanium oil pan would still crack if u bottomed out on it. plastic might actually help if the material bends instead of cracks.
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even if the plastic got more maluable with heat, i doubt the plastic would'nt crack with a good wack. you also have to consider that the oil pan material must be able to dissipate heat, which magnesium and aluminum do very well, and are far more structurally rigid.
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They are original Porsche ! With the plastic pan you have 0,5 liters of engine oil more available to cool them down.See the PET.

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Wow, something like that was made for the 928 too (out of plastic). But we only know about one since it showed up on ebay with a Porsche part number for 600 bucks. Obviously they knew about the oiling issue with rod bearing failures.

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https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...lies-heel.html
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Originally Posted by Nobbi
They are original Porsche ! With the plastic pan you have 0,5 liters of engine oil more available to cool them down.See the PET.

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Nobbi - where is that part number? On the PET i can only see one part number available for the S2 motor (M44.41). PN# 944 101 204 00??
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Typical Stupid German idea. Can anyone tell me how good the heat transfer is on plastic? If not good at all was you're answer, you would be right. Why the fins on the plastic then???
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It's the latest development in fictional materials! Heat conductive plastics!

It's flexible and has a shape memory too.
Alas, if only I could create this plastic. I would be rich!
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Originally Posted by nzporsche944s2
Nobbi - where is that part number? On the PET i can only see one part number available for the S2 motor (M44.41). PN# 944 101 204 00??
Old thread bump for knowledge. My 88 944S has a similar pan on it from the factory, it has the plastic baffle and the integrated scraper. I have a 968 pan next to it the plastic baffle and the scraper has a slightly different profile (more bumps towards/at the sump). the part number on the 968 pan ends in 0R same as the s2 pan. My 944S pan ends in 8R

I thought only the turbo, S2 and 68 got the scrapper and baffle? or did all late (85.5+) 944's get them?
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300 hour oil pan for a 5,000 hour car.

grrrreeaattt.


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