Only 310WHP what gives?
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Changed over to a JPEG.. here is the chart..
Turbo not reaching peak boost till over 4500 RPM?
Turbo is a bit on the large side (GT35) for the motor (2.5L).. likely OUT of its efficiency range which WILL hurt over all performance...
Injectors should be fine for the HP goals, timing is likely slightly retarded... but not likely retarded enough to be costing you 30Hp.. it would be noticeable if it was retarding due to knock..
If I had to venture a guess, I bet you would get better spool (by 2000 RPM or so), and better over all performance from a slightly smaller turbo (GT3076 or even GT3071..)...
otherwise it is an artifact of the dyno, and the bouncing of the graph once boost target is reached is likely the WG fluttering...
Turbo not reaching peak boost till over 4500 RPM?
Turbo is a bit on the large side (GT35) for the motor (2.5L).. likely OUT of its efficiency range which WILL hurt over all performance...
Injectors should be fine for the HP goals, timing is likely slightly retarded... but not likely retarded enough to be costing you 30Hp.. it would be noticeable if it was retarding due to knock..
If I had to venture a guess, I bet you would get better spool (by 2000 RPM or so), and better over all performance from a slightly smaller turbo (GT3076 or even GT3071..)...
otherwise it is an artifact of the dyno, and the bouncing of the graph once boost target is reached is likely the WG fluttering...
The dyno guy started a little late from what I see in the photo, looks like somewhere between 3000-3200rpm. I usually get full boost by 3500 rpm, the turbo I have on the car actually boosts really soon, I don't know why the dyno is showing otherwise.
I understand that a larger turbo might hurt the situation but according to lindsey's site, they have 67mm turbos close to 400WHP with less mods.
Here is one of their dyne's with a large turbo along with the supporting mods listed. What do you think? Are these number possible with the mods listed? and if so whats wrong with my setup.
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Ted Burges 2.5L 951:
Lindsey Racing Super75/8 Turbo
Lindsey Racing Dual Port Wastegate
Siemens 55# Injectors
SPEC Stage III 6 puck Clutch
MAF
Mostly stock exhaust
375 RWHP / 390 FtLbs. @ 18 psi.
Thanks and God Bless
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At 19 psi you should be well over that number, especially on a dynojet. Even if the turbo is not completely in its efficiency range.
The head should not be a problem until 400 hp.
Do you have a cat on? I would also be looking at a collapsed crossover.
Backpressure can rob some real hp.
The head should not be a problem until 400 hp.
Do you have a cat on? I would also be looking at a collapsed crossover.
Backpressure can rob some real hp.
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The GT35 turbo... which hot side housing is it running, you mentioned V band.. is it a Tial housing, or some other dual V band housing?
The LR chart and specs you posted.. Will a 67mm turbo make big numbers? yes it will, but if you notice it isnt hitting peak boost till almost 4800 RPM..... OK for track.. not so much for the street (for most people). 395 on a "lightly modded" car.... sure.... uh huh...
You have a big laggy turbo, being under driven by you engine, and a conservative dyno operator.. if it feels good, roll with it.. and have fun!
If your looking for the biggest numbers out there... get real, drop the coin, go 3.4L 16V and dont look back!
The LR chart and specs you posted.. Will a 67mm turbo make big numbers? yes it will, but if you notice it isnt hitting peak boost till almost 4800 RPM..... OK for track.. not so much for the street (for most people). 395 on a "lightly modded" car.... sure.... uh huh...
You have a big laggy turbo, being under driven by you engine, and a conservative dyno operator.. if it feels good, roll with it.. and have fun!
If your looking for the biggest numbers out there... get real, drop the coin, go 3.4L 16V and dont look back!
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Dynos are different under different conditions and states of tune to your car etc as noted. Within 10% or so is probably acceptable -except to the purchaser LOL.
Send Lindsey the results and I bet they will have an idea of what to look for.
Send Lindsey the results and I bet they will have an idea of what to look for.
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The GT35 turbo... which hot side housing is it running, you mentioned V band.. is it a Tial housing, or some other dual V band housing?
The LR chart and specs you posted.. Will a 67mm turbo make big numbers? yes it will, but if you notice it isnt hitting peak boost till almost 4800 RPM..... OK for track.. not so much for the street (for most people). 395 on a "lightly modded" car.... sure.... uh huh...
You have a big laggy turbo, being under driven by you engine, and a conservative dyno operator.. if it feels good, roll with it.. and have fun!
If your looking for the biggest numbers out there... get real, drop the coin, go 3.4L 16V and dont look back!
The LR chart and specs you posted.. Will a 67mm turbo make big numbers? yes it will, but if you notice it isnt hitting peak boost till almost 4800 RPM..... OK for track.. not so much for the street (for most people). 395 on a "lightly modded" car.... sure.... uh huh...
You have a big laggy turbo, being under driven by you engine, and a conservative dyno operator.. if it feels good, roll with it.. and have fun!
If your looking for the biggest numbers out there... get real, drop the coin, go 3.4L 16V and dont look back!
I'm not sure what you mean by conservative dyno operator, but the weird thing is that I get full boost before 3500 rpm don't know why its showing other wise.
My main problem is that I don't think the numbers on their dynes are realistic specially considering what mods their cars have that are producing those numbers.
God Bless
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At 19 psi you should be well over that number, especially on a dynojet. Even if the turbo is not completely in its efficiency range.
The head should not be a problem until 400 hp.
Do you have a cat on? I would also be looking at a collapsed crossover.
Backpressure can rob some real hp.
The head should not be a problem until 400 hp.
Do you have a cat on? I would also be looking at a collapsed crossover.
Backpressure can rob some real hp.
There was no cat on the car during the dyno (straight through).
I have checked the crossover, headers (when the motor was done) and my intake had no oil in it so I never checked the intercooler, but as someone else recommended I think I will pull the IC and check it, I just never had a reason to.
I really appreciate everyones suggestions, I am confident that someone will help me find the problem (if any) and in turn maybe what I find might help someone else.
God Bless
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I seriously doubt LR would falsely advertise. Is your engine in top running condition? How long ago was the rebuild, and have you checked compression and leakdown lately? Is your exhaust system leak-free?
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Never heard of someone doing a 3.4L Turbo specially a 16V, I've only seen up to 3.1L with an 8V head. I would really like some more info on what need to be done to go 3.4L. A parts list maybe?
I'm not sure what you mean by conservative dyno operator, but the weird thing is that I get full boost before 3500 rpm don't know why its showing other wise.
My main problem is that I don't think the numbers on their dynes are realistic specially considering what mods their cars have that are producing those numbers.
God Bless
I'm not sure what you mean by conservative dyno operator, but the weird thing is that I get full boost before 3500 rpm don't know why its showing other wise.
My main problem is that I don't think the numbers on their dynes are realistic specially considering what mods their cars have that are producing those numbers.
God Bless
only one i know of. so it has been done, but you'll need real deep pockets.
https://rennlist.com/forums/944-turb...-16-valve.html
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I bought the LR 340 RWHP kit and their crate motor. $ 12000 later. No after sales support. The motor had to be rebuit because of engine leaks. the power was about 250 RWHP. Beware of LR. Very bad ppl. The Mafterburner is abosolute rubbish. Mafterburner is not around any longer (no surprise). LR won't replace the defectvie parts even though they have some in stock.
Lindsey is a big advertising show but low on actual delivery - bad bad ppl
Lindsey is a big advertising show but low on actual delivery - bad bad ppl
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I bought the LR 340 RWHP kit and their crate motor. $ 12000 later. No after sales support. The motor had to be rebuit because of engine leaks. the power was about 250 RWHP. Beware of LR. Very bad ppl. The Mafterburner is abosolute rubbish. Mafterburner is not around any longer (no surprise). LR won't replace the defectvie parts even though they have some in stock.
Lindsey is a big advertising show but low on actual delivery - bad bad ppl
Lindsey is a big advertising show but low on actual delivery - bad bad ppl
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I bought the LR 340 RWHP kit and their crate motor. $ 12000 later. No after sales support. The motor had to be rebuit because of engine leaks. the power was about 250 RWHP. Beware of LR. Very bad ppl. The Mafterburner is abosolute rubbish. Mafterburner is not around any longer (no surprise). LR won't replace the defectvie parts even though they have some in stock.
Lindsey is a big advertising show but low on actual delivery - bad bad ppl
Lindsey is a big advertising show but low on actual delivery - bad bad ppl
I can only say good things about Lindsey. They are easy to get in touch with and it's nice to be able to speak directly with the owners. That is rare in this day and age. Their support has been great for anything I've bought (which has been many orders). They have replaced parts (most recently some braided fuel lines) with no questions asked. Just my 5c.
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