928 engine in a 944?
11-05-2011, 04:28 AM
#47
Three Wheelin'
because it is not the way to go.Give me a break, there is nothing wrong in relocationg engine. And your point that "it is not the way to go" is nothing but an opinion, there is no facts in it at all.
If you would know what I've fabricated for Porsches, you even wouldn't started this argument.
11-05-2011, 05:50 AM
#48
Nordschleife Master
Oh, and that's why Fabcar did a 911 with midengine? because it is not the way to go.
Give me a break, there is nothing wrong in relocationg engine. And your point that "it is not the way to go" is nothing but an opinion, there is no facts in it at all.
If you would know what I've fabricated for Porsches, you even wouldn't started this argument.
because it is not the way to go.Give me a break, there is nothing wrong in relocationg engine. And your point that "it is not the way to go" is nothing but an opinion, there is no facts in it at all.
If you would know what I've fabricated for Porsches, you even wouldn't started this argument.
11-05-2011, 09:13 AM
#49
Three Wheelin'
No that is not the point. Point is that you are wrong thinking it will ruin the handling of 944 and I don't want wrong knowledge to spread. It spreads nevertheless but I try to give my best to prevent this when I can do something about it.
Want few hard facts regarding midengine in 944? Ok: 1. Polar moment of inertia (which is very high in 924/944) will decrease improving handling significantly. Car turns easier into corners. 2. Weight distribution is actually better. 50:50 is good for stability but not the best for speed and with mid-engine on 944 it will become around 42:58 (more to the rear of course).
Lets try to focus more on the hard facts next time and keep emotions down. Peace?
Want few hard facts regarding midengine in 944? Ok: 1. Polar moment of inertia (which is very high in 924/944) will decrease improving handling significantly. Car turns easier into corners. 2. Weight distribution is actually better. 50:50 is good for stability but not the best for speed and with mid-engine on 944 it will become around 42:58 (more to the rear of course).
Lets try to focus more on the hard facts next time and keep emotions down. Peace?
11-05-2011, 04:09 PM
#50
Three Wheelin'
11-05-2011, 05:21 PM
#51
Rainman
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No that is not the point. Point is that you are wrong thinking it will ruin the handling of 944 and I don't want wrong knowledge to spread. It spreads nevertheless but I try to give my best to prevent this when I can do something about it.
Want few hard facts regarding midengine in 944? Ok: 1. Polar moment of inertia (which is very high in 924/944) will decrease improving handling significantly. Car turns easier into corners. 2. Weight distribution is actually better. 50:50 is good for stability but not the best for speed and with mid-engine on 944 it will become around 42:58 (more to the rear of course).
Lets try to focus more on the hard facts next time and keep emotions down. Peace?
Want few hard facts regarding midengine in 944? Ok: 1. Polar moment of inertia (which is very high in 924/944) will decrease improving handling significantly. Car turns easier into corners. 2. Weight distribution is actually better. 50:50 is good for stability but not the best for speed and with mid-engine on 944 it will become around 42:58 (more to the rear of course).
Lets try to focus more on the hard facts next time and keep emotions down. Peace?
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11-06-2011, 03:42 AM
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Someone measure the narrowest point in a 944 chasis engine bay and write down the exact position and width. Repeat for length/height. Then measure the 928 engines at their widest/longest/tallest point and write down the exact positions on the engine for reference. Post the data here so we can discuss facts. I did this once but didn't write it down. It's a very close fit and my conclusion was that you could make some cuts into the strut towers and rebrace them and the engine wold fit. Also if you shave/cut the cam heads on the engine it might help the fit. I didn't get as far as thinking about all the other parts that make the 928 wider like exhaust, pumps, pullies, etc.
I think it can be done without going to a space frame chasis if you are creative. What is the exact weight difference between a 944/928/lsx?
I think it can be done without going to a space frame chasis if you are creative. What is the exact weight difference between a 944/928/lsx?
11-06-2011, 04:16 AM
#54
LT-5 was a great engine. Probably one of the best out of Detroit, but the new LS engines just make so much power and still can retain decent mileage. Its crazy. Don't get me wrong I have always been a LT vs. LS fan, but the new LS engines are so good. LT>LS. The LT5 is a whole nother beast.
11-06-2011, 05:25 AM
#56
RL Community Team
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A 928 engine won't fit in a 944 engine bay. But how about if we cut the engine in half and only used one bank? Maybe we can increase the bore to partially make up for lost cylinders. We can also add a turbo to make up for the rest of the power. We can use some kind of vibration canceling device. If we can get a high-quality outfit to do all this machine and fab work for us and spit them out in mass numbers, this might work!
11-06-2011, 06:36 AM
#57
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lol.
11-06-2011, 10:21 AM
#58
Burning Brakes
A 928 engine won't fit in a 944 engine bay. But how about if we cut the engine in half and only used one bank? Maybe we can increase the bore to partially make up for lost cylinders. We can also add a turbo to make up for the rest of the power. We can use some kind of vibration canceling device. If we can get a high-quality outfit to do all this machine and fab work for us and spit them out in mass numbers, this might work!
you gotta be kidding. a 4 cyl porsh? water cooled? who the hell would buy one of those???
11-06-2011, 11:31 AM
#59
Nordschleife Master
A 928 engine won't fit in a 944 engine bay. But how about if we cut the engine in half and only used one bank? Maybe we can increase the bore to partially make up for lost cylinders. We can also add a turbo to make up for the rest of the power. We can use some kind of vibration canceling device. If we can get a high-quality outfit to do all this machine and fab work for us and spit them out in mass numbers, this might work!
11-06-2011, 12:35 PM
#60
Nordschleife Master
A 928 engine won't fit in a 944 engine bay. But how about if we cut the engine in half and only used one bank? Maybe we can increase the bore to partially make up for lost cylinders. We can also add a turbo to make up for the rest of the power. We can use some kind of vibration canceling device. If we can get a high-quality outfit to do all this machine and fab work for us and spit them out in mass numbers, this might work!