LS1 Swap Cost
06-01-2011, 06:21 PM
#46
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After removing AC crap and window washer I only added 50 lbs to the swap with the ironblock, weighing it on the scales 2x. Since then I've removed the fold-down back seat rest, rear carpet pad and rear wing. After I get a lithium or other lightweight battery, I bet I'll be back to my starting weight.... with Booko power
Hey Doc, like your signature to track ***** reference.
Hey Doc, like your signature to track ***** reference.
second best mod is to dump as much weight out as you can from things you are not going to need
mine was totally gutted, with as much stuff as can be removed, w/o fiberglass, and I could tell the difference
06-01-2011, 06:47 PM
#47
Lol your talking about a lot of money to invest in an early 944 ,figures quote here are $10-15-20k,for that price you can get yourself a pretty darn nice 951/S2 or 968 with everyone of them having over 200 HP.But if you really want to go into the trouble of a swap why not opt for the 944/968 one which even though not cheap won't cost you your eyes ***** . 944/968 is a natural swap for your early car and has been done by many here & other forums with success.Don't forget the 3.0 ltr 968 produce 236 HP (stock) and has plenty of torque from 1,000 RPM to the red line & torque is what make a car fast not necessarely HP.reminding you that you still will have to ugrade the suspension & diff since your producing quiet a bite more HP.You will be as fast or even faster then any 968/951 (stock) out there since your car is a lot ligther.
06-01-2011, 07:51 PM
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Your bag man ,not mine.Come & sit down beside me and take a ride in a very well sorte out 968 ,then lol come back and give me the same reply you just did.Couple of Corvettes owners got the smile wipe out their faces when they did.
06-01-2011, 08:25 PM
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stock, it's a decent car.
Van's instruments estimated my car's engine is making at least 236 hp.
short about 75~100 hp and about 75~100 ft-lbs of torque. it's glaringly obvious.
Van's instruments estimated my car's engine is making at least 236 hp.
short about 75~100 hp and about 75~100 ft-lbs of torque. it's glaringly obvious.
06-01-2011, 10:48 PM
#50
It's not about cost. If cost or practicality is even remotely a consideration there are a hundred better options.
It's about something different.
Something only a gear head/hot rodder can understand. Its the shared kindred spirit to modify, hot rod, improve (or what ever term is used) anything with wheels.
It's about the satisfaction of rolling up your sleeves and getting your hands dirty welding, grinding, fabbing big engines into little things. It's the same illogical, impractical, economically flawed thinking that spawned the Bonneville salt flats, the beast, lawn mower racing, monster trucks, open wheel cars, Monaco, the Mile Miglia, rally racing, the brickyard, etc., etc.
Some things in life you do simply for the pure pleasure of it. For some that means stuffing different engines into their favorite sports car. The fact that it doesn't make sense makes it even sweeter.
The only caveat is the same for racing. If you have to ask how much you can't afford it!
It's about something different.
Something only a gear head/hot rodder can understand. Its the shared kindred spirit to modify, hot rod, improve (or what ever term is used) anything with wheels.
It's about the satisfaction of rolling up your sleeves and getting your hands dirty welding, grinding, fabbing big engines into little things. It's the same illogical, impractical, economically flawed thinking that spawned the Bonneville salt flats, the beast, lawn mower racing, monster trucks, open wheel cars, Monaco, the Mile Miglia, rally racing, the brickyard, etc., etc.
Some things in life you do simply for the pure pleasure of it. For some that means stuffing different engines into their favorite sports car. The fact that it doesn't make sense makes it even sweeter.
The only caveat is the same for racing. If you have to ask how much you can't afford it!
06-01-2011, 11:38 PM
#51
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I think my swap cost is probably around $10k all said and done, after factoring the $2k or so that I got out of 951 engine and brake parts I sold.
In a nutshell, my swap consists of:
2000 LS1 with 24k miles
mild cam, heavier valve springs, chromoly push rods
Melling high volume oil pump
LS2 timing chain
LS6 intake and valley pan
Mike Norris oil catch can
Champ racing oil pan (large capacity with lots of trap doors, etc.)
RX-7 oil cooler and remote oil filter mount
BMW e28 hydraulic brake booster/regulator
Turn One reduced flow PS pump (for hydroboost only)
Spec Stage 2 clutch and pressure plate
Tilton 13/16" clutch master cylinder
Big Red brakes, 33:5 proportioning valve
951S AOR tranny with tall 5th gear swap
Custom mid-length headers (available from Street & Performance now)
Custom 3" exhaust with Flowmaster pre-muffler and Magnaflow at the end
Custom coil pack relocation to under nose panel (using custom length MSD wire kit)
Custom intake tube/throttle body relocation
Custom engine mount uprights
Custom tranny support brace (and window welded stock tranny mount)
Manual steering rack (why? see below)
No cross member spacers, biatch!
THANKS TO TOM EGAN AND DAN JAUCH FOR ALL YOUR MANY HOURS OF HELP AND ADVICE. The car is officially awesome now.
In a nutshell, my swap consists of:
2000 LS1 with 24k miles
mild cam, heavier valve springs, chromoly push rods
Melling high volume oil pump
LS2 timing chain
LS6 intake and valley pan
Mike Norris oil catch can
Champ racing oil pan (large capacity with lots of trap doors, etc.)
RX-7 oil cooler and remote oil filter mount
BMW e28 hydraulic brake booster/regulator
Turn One reduced flow PS pump (for hydroboost only)
Spec Stage 2 clutch and pressure plate
Tilton 13/16" clutch master cylinder
Big Red brakes, 33:5 proportioning valve
951S AOR tranny with tall 5th gear swap
Custom mid-length headers (available from Street & Performance now)
Custom 3" exhaust with Flowmaster pre-muffler and Magnaflow at the end
Custom coil pack relocation to under nose panel (using custom length MSD wire kit)
Custom intake tube/throttle body relocation
Custom engine mount uprights
Custom tranny support brace (and window welded stock tranny mount)
Manual steering rack (why? see below)
No cross member spacers, biatch!
THANKS TO TOM EGAN AND DAN JAUCH FOR ALL YOUR MANY HOURS OF HELP AND ADVICE. The car is officially awesome now.
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06-02-2011, 12:45 AM
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50 and 51 are the most inspiring posts i've read in a long time.
It's about the satisfaction of rolling up your sleeves and getting your hands dirty welding, grinding, fabbing big engines into little things. It's the same illogical, impractical, economically flawed thinking.... stuffing different engines into their favorite sports car. The fact that it doesn't make sense makes it even sweeter.
maybe it's the overly expensive, ultra-heavy Ferrari California that doesn't make any sense, though it's essentially the same design.
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It's about the satisfaction of rolling up your sleeves and getting your hands dirty welding, grinding, fabbing big engines into little things. It's the same illogical, impractical, economically flawed thinking.... stuffing different engines into their favorite sports car. The fact that it doesn't make sense makes it even sweeter.
maybe it's the overly expensive, ultra-heavy Ferrari California that doesn't make any sense, though it's essentially the same design.
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06-02-2011, 03:34 AM
#54
Yeah, but Corvettes aren't exactly a great handling car. I'm actually doing a well sorted 951 right now with an LS6 swap. But I would be willing to bet it will run circles around any Vette or 968.
06-02-2011, 06:17 AM
#55
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I'm all for keeping it Porsche, too bad that there isn't anything V8 from them
there is a Cayenne engine, someone was mentioning that they have seen that swapped into a 944 ... but how much more work, and especially money, is that going to cost? now THAT would simply be not worth it ...
06-02-2011, 09:56 AM
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2 extra cylinders? i haven't yet had the pleasure, but i imagine the torque under the curve must be bordering on the 'absurd,' and the driving experience maybe akin to having the most incredible girl in your high school telling you she's 'ready.'
'which' in fact did....... unfortunately, she broke my heart about a year later.
'which' in fact did....... unfortunately, she broke my heart about a year later.
06-02-2011, 10:09 AM
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06-02-2011, 10:20 AM
#58
Even after the $500 951 trans upgrade (Thanks Lemco), I'm still under $5000 for the entire swap. I did trade some basic V8 swap parts for the car and wheels. What I'm most impressed with is the TORQUE in this little frame that seems like it was always meant to be. It's as if the German guy himself knew that in the future the crazy Americans would graft a torque monster in and make it the supercar he knew it could be. To give an example, there is parking garage at my work with a steep slope on a long run, with the 951 tranny installed, I can set it in 2nd gear and idle my way to the top. Any other car would have shuddered & died......TORQUE is King....
06-02-2011, 10:32 AM
#59
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After I sold off all the turbo motor parts I didn't need, I spent $7,000 on my swap. That included the SS motor, headers, exhaust, cam, hydroboost, Quicktime bellhousing, Spec clutch, pressure plate and lightweight flywheel, Turn 1 PS pump, Mocal oil cooler and thermostat, power steering cooler, AC lines, PS lines, etc, etc.
vt951, how'd you manage not to use any cross member spacers?
vt951, how'd you manage not to use any cross member spacers?
06-02-2011, 10:47 AM
#60
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I'm about to sell my two 968 engines to fund my V8 conversion. I'm hoping to come out even on the project with much more torque than I had with the supercharged 968.