H#ĪLL! Driving licence suspended all summer!
04-29-2003, 06:33 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Duke:
<strong>He didn't say anything, although he's feeling quite guilty that I was the one driving the car at that specific moment.
But I assure you it wasn't reckless driving in any way! Some people may think it's always reckless driving going 200 regardless of the circomstances but I guess those people just haven't tried a 951...
In some way, it's nice to hear I'm not the only one with out licence
Take care.... and look out for the you-know-who <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I guess I'm one of those people who believe that if your TWICE over the legal limit it's reckless driving. Sorry, but I've kept quiet throughout this thread, UNTIL NOW.
I promised here before that I'd keep my mouth shut regarding street racing and speeding, as long as no one said, something like, "But it was safe..." or "All safety precautions were taken..."
Well, Duke: regardless of what you think or felt, you were unsafe on public roads at those speeds. And, quite frankly, that fact that you THINK you were safe makes me say that you are pretty stupid in thinking that! I've had my 944S2 up to 130mph on a track, and even in those closed conditions, things can happen. I'm guessing that's pretty close to 200kph.
So if you're going to drive fast on public roads, DON'T GIVE ME THIS CRAP ABOUT BEING SAFE ABOUT IT. That's a crock of bull!
From your posting, it sounds like you haven't learned your lesson. If I were you, I'd be thankful that the only damage was a ticket and loss of your license for a time. At those speeds, you could have done some serious physical damage to your car, yourself, and to bystanders.
Ok, go ahead and flame away people: bring it on!
Have a nice day, and drive safe.
-Zoltan.
<strong>He didn't say anything, although he's feeling quite guilty that I was the one driving the car at that specific moment.
But I assure you it wasn't reckless driving in any way! Some people may think it's always reckless driving going 200 regardless of the circomstances but I guess those people just haven't tried a 951...
In some way, it's nice to hear I'm not the only one with out licence
Take care.... and look out for the you-know-who <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I guess I'm one of those people who believe that if your TWICE over the legal limit it's reckless driving. Sorry, but I've kept quiet throughout this thread, UNTIL NOW.
I promised here before that I'd keep my mouth shut regarding street racing and speeding, as long as no one said, something like, "But it was safe..." or "All safety precautions were taken..."
Well, Duke: regardless of what you think or felt, you were unsafe on public roads at those speeds. And, quite frankly, that fact that you THINK you were safe makes me say that you are pretty stupid in thinking that! I've had my 944S2 up to 130mph on a track, and even in those closed conditions, things can happen. I'm guessing that's pretty close to 200kph.
So if you're going to drive fast on public roads, DON'T GIVE ME THIS CRAP ABOUT BEING SAFE ABOUT IT. That's a crock of bull!
From your posting, it sounds like you haven't learned your lesson. If I were you, I'd be thankful that the only damage was a ticket and loss of your license for a time. At those speeds, you could have done some serious physical damage to your car, yourself, and to bystanders.
Ok, go ahead and flame away people: bring it on!
Have a nice day, and drive safe.
-Zoltan.
04-29-2003, 07:01 PM
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Zoltan,
I hear you.
Yes I admit I haven't learned "my lesson". But I do think that if getting my license suspended would make me think about safety in ways I haven't done before - then I'd be a reckless driver.
Of course a track is a better place for high speeds but under SOME circumstances I bet high speed driving is much safer on public roads than on a track.
But the roads are quite different from country to country so that discussion is hard to have on an international forum.
Gustaf
I hear you.
Yes I admit I haven't learned "my lesson". But I do think that if getting my license suspended would make me think about safety in ways I haven't done before - then I'd be a reckless driver.
Of course a track is a better place for high speeds but under SOME circumstances I bet high speed driving is much safer on public roads than on a track.
But the roads are quite different from country to country so that discussion is hard to have on an international forum.
Gustaf
04-29-2003, 07:02 PM
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One question that keeps going through my head is how you could do 200 in a 90 with your dad in the car... My dad would never let that happen when he's around unless those speeds are legal.
No kidding your dad feels guilty!
Anyways, just chill and the months will pass by fast. You can't do anything about it now.
No kidding your dad feels guilty!
Anyways, just chill and the months will pass by fast. You can't do anything about it now.
04-29-2003, 07:05 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Duke:
<strong>But the roads are quite different from country to country so that discussion is hard to have on an international forum.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">If they put the limit so low (90), than it's probably not suited for 200... But I'm just being logical...
<strong>But the roads are quite different from country to country so that discussion is hard to have on an international forum.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">If they put the limit so low (90), than it's probably not suited for 200... But I'm just being logical...
04-29-2003, 07:12 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Duke:
<strong>...under SOME circumstances I bet high speed driving is much safer on public roads than on a track...
Gustaf</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I cannot image that statement to be true, no matter how I look at it. I am very curious how you can prove that: please elaborate.
-Z.
<strong>...under SOME circumstances I bet high speed driving is much safer on public roads than on a track...
Gustaf</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I cannot image that statement to be true, no matter how I look at it. I am very curious how you can prove that: please elaborate.
-Z.
04-29-2003, 08:12 PM
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just remember people, driving 200kph in some countries is not illegal. so going "fast" does not always mean "breaking the law"; they are not synonymous, as a general statement.
04-29-2003, 10:03 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">
<strong>[QUOTE]In some way, it's nice to hear I'm not the only one with out license
Take care.... and look out for the you-know-who <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I beg to differ, I find it sad that so many people here feel that it is okay to trash the streets. I am not talking about speeding here folks, some of you have numerous tickets which means you may be able to "afford" a fast car but are too immature to drive a fast car. The cops watch out for all of us because they equate our driving ability with your inability to drive safely. In the end insurance is high not because of my lack of accidents but your propensity for accidents.
Flame away boys, I got this old while being an A$$ hole through the whole journey.
<strong>[QUOTE]In some way, it's nice to hear I'm not the only one with out license
Take care.... and look out for the you-know-who <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I beg to differ, I find it sad that so many people here feel that it is okay to trash the streets. I am not talking about speeding here folks, some of you have numerous tickets which means you may be able to "afford" a fast car but are too immature to drive a fast car. The cops watch out for all of us because they equate our driving ability with your inability to drive safely. In the end insurance is high not because of my lack of accidents but your propensity for accidents.
Flame away boys, I got this old while being an A$$ hole through the whole journey.
04-29-2003, 10:21 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by deni durrell:
<strong>just remember people, driving 200kph in some countries is not illegal. so going "fast" does not always mean "breaking the law"; they are not synonymous, as a general statement.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">In this case it was illegal, and it doesn't look like anyone made that generalization.
<strong>just remember people, driving 200kph in some countries is not illegal. so going "fast" does not always mean "breaking the law"; they are not synonymous, as a general statement.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">In this case it was illegal, and it doesn't look like anyone made that generalization.
04-29-2003, 10:24 PM
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For what it's worth, all club track events around here require a valid drivers license.. I think Ahmet had an issue with this years ago..
Bummer!
Bummer!
04-30-2003, 12:59 AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">all club track events around here require a valid drivers license </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">that's why i immediately went to the dmv to a get a duplicate Calif DL as soon as the one i had in my wallet went to the pigs. lucky for us, they can't process infractions that fast (never overnight) to show "confiscation". although the duplicate is no good, it will always work for the PCA/POC.
04-30-2003, 06:11 AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Z-man:
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I guess I'm one of those people who believe that if your TWICE over the legal limit it's reckless driving. Sorry, but I've kept quiet throughout this thread, UNTIL NOW.
I promised here before that I'd keep my mouth shut regarding street racing and speeding, as long as no one said, something like, "But it was safe..." or "All safety precautions were taken..."
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">What makes "reckless driving" to me is not X or Y km/h above the limit. It is all about the circumstances.
With your arguments it is correct of me to assume you also think everyone travelling on the German Autobahn is reckless drivers? Since most of the drivers there not only goes around 200 km/h but also keeps minimum distance to the car in front.
Regarding the track versus road comparision: I'm afraid this conversation can go on for a long time if we get it started, but I will give you a quick answer.
Imagine a rainy day at the track. The track is pretty crowdy. The track has a straight section of about 500 meters. Driver A has quite worn P-Zero Cup's but as usual and like the rest - he gives it the bone and is rushing at the end of the straight section, which is abruptly ended by a sharp turn, at a speed of 194 km/h. Driver A really thinks he's an experienced driver on the track and want's to cut his lap times. So there he is, on a crowded track, not the best rain tires, and is rushing at a sharp turn - while he is trying the master the art of "brake as late as possible"... No need to go on.
The other story:
Going on a beautiful dry highway/motorway a summer morning at 05:30 am (it's light here by then..). It's a two-lane road with "animal"-fences alongside the road and a big blockade to keep the lanes in the other direction apart.
The road is completely straight for at least 5000 meters and there is (of course) no other cars on the road. Driver B, (with quite worn Pzero Cup's that gives him the best possible grip on dry roads), accelerates for about 8 seconds and reaches the speed of 194 km/h. After a while at that speed, he once again reduces the speed to keep the limit.
In this case I think Driver B is a safer driver.
And please don't give me any crap about story one not being the reality because it often is.
BTW, 130 mph is about 208 km/h.
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I guess I'm one of those people who believe that if your TWICE over the legal limit it's reckless driving. Sorry, but I've kept quiet throughout this thread, UNTIL NOW.
I promised here before that I'd keep my mouth shut regarding street racing and speeding, as long as no one said, something like, "But it was safe..." or "All safety precautions were taken..."
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">What makes "reckless driving" to me is not X or Y km/h above the limit. It is all about the circumstances.
With your arguments it is correct of me to assume you also think everyone travelling on the German Autobahn is reckless drivers? Since most of the drivers there not only goes around 200 km/h but also keeps minimum distance to the car in front.
Regarding the track versus road comparision: I'm afraid this conversation can go on for a long time if we get it started, but I will give you a quick answer.
Imagine a rainy day at the track. The track is pretty crowdy. The track has a straight section of about 500 meters. Driver A has quite worn P-Zero Cup's but as usual and like the rest - he gives it the bone and is rushing at the end of the straight section, which is abruptly ended by a sharp turn, at a speed of 194 km/h. Driver A really thinks he's an experienced driver on the track and want's to cut his lap times. So there he is, on a crowded track, not the best rain tires, and is rushing at a sharp turn - while he is trying the master the art of "brake as late as possible"... No need to go on.
The other story:
Going on a beautiful dry highway/motorway a summer morning at 05:30 am (it's light here by then..). It's a two-lane road with "animal"-fences alongside the road and a big blockade to keep the lanes in the other direction apart.
The road is completely straight for at least 5000 meters and there is (of course) no other cars on the road. Driver B, (with quite worn Pzero Cup's that gives him the best possible grip on dry roads), accelerates for about 8 seconds and reaches the speed of 194 km/h. After a while at that speed, he once again reduces the speed to keep the limit.
In this case I think Driver B is a safer driver.
And please don't give me any crap about story one not being the reality because it often is.
BTW, 130 mph is about 208 km/h.
04-30-2003, 06:17 AM
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I've done more than 270 km/h indicated several times on 90 km/h roads here in Sweden and I must say that in most cases I haven't been doing anything unsafe for anyone else than myself.
04-30-2003, 10:41 AM
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Zoltan, I am curious to know if you have ever driven a sports car on public roads outside the U.S. or Canada and if so, where?
As you probably know, it is considerably more difficult to get a driver's license in Europe than in the U.S. and to expand on the example set forth above by Duke, if you speed in the left lane, the majority of drivers have enough lane discipline for it to be less likely that you will encounter a dangerously slow vehicle in the fast lane.
I know this is different in the U.S., where I quit trying to pass on the left after sitting behind hundreds of trucks and soccer moms in vans hogging the left lane on highways in spite of the signs posted in many states reading "Keep right except to pass." <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
As you probably know, it is considerably more difficult to get a driver's license in Europe than in the U.S. and to expand on the example set forth above by Duke, if you speed in the left lane, the majority of drivers have enough lane discipline for it to be less likely that you will encounter a dangerously slow vehicle in the fast lane.
I know this is different in the U.S., where I quit trying to pass on the left after sitting behind hundreds of trucks and soccer moms in vans hogging the left lane on highways in spite of the signs posted in many states reading "Keep right except to pass." <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
04-30-2003, 11:23 AM
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you guys in the states think you have got it bad one of my friends recently got caught doing 85 mph in a 40 limit. The police ripped up his licence there and then for TWO years!!! so i think six months for doing twice the limit sounds resonable but then everything is realative isnt it??!!
Also over here in the uk they have speed cameras set up all over the place, mobile cameras, hand held radar guns and their newest game is to set up the cameras in the back of a van in a lay by with the camerars stickin out the back doors... sneaky bas**~#!!!
And luis your right they idiots do sit in the overtakin lane over here irrelative of the speed they are doing.... bugs the *** off me!
Anyways sorry for the bitchin guys and dude i feel your pain take up yoga or sommin 4 six months!!!
Also over here in the uk they have speed cameras set up all over the place, mobile cameras, hand held radar guns and their newest game is to set up the cameras in the back of a van in a lay by with the camerars stickin out the back doors... sneaky bas**~#!!!
And luis your right they idiots do sit in the overtakin lane over here irrelative of the speed they are doing.... bugs the *** off me!
Anyways sorry for the bitchin guys and dude i feel your pain take up yoga or sommin 4 six months!!!
04-30-2003, 11:27 AM
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I agree with Luis.
It's amazing how some people can complain about that you are going to fast when driving 200 km/h.
I used to drive a lot in Germany and there the normal traffic is going around 160 km/h (100 mph) and when doing 200-225 km/h in the fast lane (125-140 mph) you will have your rearview mirror filled up with a BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Porsche, VW or something else - and they will be flashing to get by and have their left blinker on.
200 is not really considered driving to fast, I've numerous times had cars packed with wife, kids and luggage pass me going way more than 200 km/h.
So relax with shouting out that it's wreckless to drive that fast - after Porsches are built to be driven fast. I've numerous times driven for more than two hours above 200 km/h and it is no problems on the right roads.
It's amazing how some people can complain about that you are going to fast when driving 200 km/h.
I used to drive a lot in Germany and there the normal traffic is going around 160 km/h (100 mph) and when doing 200-225 km/h in the fast lane (125-140 mph) you will have your rearview mirror filled up with a BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Porsche, VW or something else - and they will be flashing to get by and have their left blinker on.
200 is not really considered driving to fast, I've numerous times had cars packed with wife, kids and luggage pass me going way more than 200 km/h.
So relax with shouting out that it's wreckless to drive that fast - after Porsches are built to be driven fast. I've numerous times driven for more than two hours above 200 km/h and it is no problems on the right roads.