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Old 10-15-2009, 02:20 PM
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I agree with Joe. A healthy, well spec'ed turbo motor should be dead reliable.

I'm sure an LS1 would be reliable too - but before going that route, get some answers on weight and car balance. My intuition is that an LS1 motor weighs more than a 951 motor... Plus it'll require more custom parts.
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Originally Posted by Lemming
This is an issue and is why I went with a 968 engine and not an LS1 a few years ago. In the meantime, the suspension has been updated, I'm running solid suspension all around, late offset spindles and hubs in front allowing for 968 brakes all around (got some big blacks sitting in a box for the next upgrade), bigger wheels/tires (9x17/275's all around), and an S2 gearbox. Still, my vet friends are trying to convince me to sell Franky and all my spares and buy a well sorted C5
Keep the 924S.... Anyone can run a C5...

At 230 whp the 968 motor is a good choice. However 968 motors work best when stock or near stock. They suffer when you want more power since it just is not easy to get. 944 Turbo's shine at modest power bumps. Done right the power is easy, inexpensive per hp and reliable. Most turbos get a bad wrap from trying push it to 350-400 whp by just cranking up the boost. These will have issues.
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How about the Audi 5cyl? That would be fun to beat up on the vettes with. That motor has all forged internals and a cast iron block stock, and I have seen with my own eyes a 600hp motor...300 would be a walk in the park for it.

Same bellhousing as 924T with cheaper clutch options, shorter in length that the porsche 4 cyl bringing the weight more to the center of the car. Sounds sick on boost.
Old 10-15-2009, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Van
I agree with Joe. A healthy, well spec'ed turbo motor should be dead reliable.

I'm sure an LS1 would be reliable too - but before going that route, get some answers on weight and car balance. My intuition is that an LS1 motor weighs more than a 951 motor... Plus it'll require more custom parts.
Less than 40 lbs difference from what I have seen and that's compared to an NA engine. Add the intercooler, plumbing, and pipes and it's likely a wash.
Old 10-15-2009, 02:35 PM
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the audi motor would be badass but the parts would be hard to find.

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Less than 40 lbs difference from what I have seen.
But consider the weight difference from the 968 engine. Isnt a 951 engine heavier? The LS1 heavier still?
Old 10-15-2009, 03:09 PM
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get an aluminum block vortec 5.3, 335hp at crank from factory and theyre about $1000.
Old 10-15-2009, 03:23 PM
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A set of good cams, and ITBs would be sweet, IMO.
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Originally Posted by Van
I'm sure an LS1 would be reliable too - but before going that route, get some answers on weight and car balance.
Mine was recently corner balanced and, if I remember correctly, it was 49.x% front, 50.x% rear with a half tank of gas. It weighed 2950 total. Mine is a street car, though (for now).

So I'd say the balance is pretty good, and the handling is insane. But I have KWs on there too.
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Tim- You know what you need to do Guaranteed you will NEVER never look back. Tom should be pretty close to you, I'm sure he could help.
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Originally Posted by ritzblitz
But consider the weight difference from the 968 engine. Isnt a 951 engine heavier? The LS1 heavier still?
Alum LS1 engine is right at 400 lbs, about the same as a 968.

Originally Posted by V2Rocket_aka944
get an aluminum block vortec 5.3, 335hp at crank from factory and theyre about $1000.
This is absolutely an option and there are a number or PorVettes running these. I'm thinking LS1 because they can be made to have even more power if my thirst grows.

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A set of good cams, and ITBs would be sweet, IMO.
Yes, but at substantial costs.

Originally Posted by Modian
But I have KWs on there too.
Mine is nicely sprung on Leda's. Corners very well.

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Tim- You know what you need to do Guaranteed you will NEVER never look back. Tom should be pretty close to you, I'm sure he could help.
Tom's only a few miles away and he has already told me that he will guide me through the process. I'm going over there next week to see the current V8 build.
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Originally Posted by Lemming
Yes, but at substantial costs.
Meh - an LS1 is a substantial cost.

Besides, I'm betting the DIY'er could do ITB and cams fairly frugally.
Just do a google search for "DIY ITB", and get all kinds of threads of guys building their own ITB setup from a hacked stock manifold and motorcycle throttlebodies on the cheap.
Cams can be re-ground, and there are plenty of places that should be willing to do that. Try contacting these guys:

Colt Cams

Their "Tri-Flow" grinds look especially interesting. I received a quote from them in the past, for a set of cams (16v DOHC 4cylinder) for $500. And that price included the R&D since they have not done the cams before. I bet a small group buy could significantly lower the price as well...


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Old 10-15-2009, 05:33 PM
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Start with the most capable chassis and fit the largest most powerful engine you can.
Old 10-15-2009, 11:28 PM
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2.5 turbo - cheapest and easiest way to get more power, especially if you sell a 968 engine to recoup some money. This is what I want to do too. I haven't had a FI car either, except a very slow turbodiesel.
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What's a decent price for a fair 951 engine anyways?
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Here is another option

https://rennlist.com/forums/924-931-...velopment.html

except I would intercool it, even at low boost


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