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thread dead?

Flo44

Me??

Nopi i'm not


I buy the next week a 944 Turbo.... This is the simply for me

Andy1212

I think the easiest way to supercharge would be run megasquirt w/ EDIS. After that boosting doesnt seem too difficult.

I just learned about something called microsquirt, which is basically the same as mega, except it has dual VR inputs. Are there any opinions about using the stock speed/reference sensors?

blown 944

contact jturpin on here he is using the vr sensors with microsquirt on 951

m73m95

Ok, I honestly never thought I would say this, being that I LOVE my N/A 944, but........

Wouldn't it be easier to buy a turbo?? I have been looking at these options lately also, and the best option I have come up with is selling my car to a loving rennlister, and buying a turbo.

The SFR kit requires you to remove the AC, which is not an option for me. And a "do it yourself" kit would cost to much, and take up WAY to much time to do a professional, daily driver job.

Besides, a turbo car comes out of the box with 225HP (Which is more than you'll get with a charged N/A) and is only the beginning. Some people on here are pushing 400 HP. I doub't thier engines will last 250,000 miles, but they claim no driveability issues.

Andy1212

I bet you could supercharge an NA for under a grand using microsquirt.

blown 944

Umm....I have both a supercharged NA and a turbo 951 model and at 400 HP it would easily hold together for 250k. When pushing for 500 things change a little bit regarding headgaskets.

I beg to differ regarding hp out of a S/C NA too as I have ran 105 mph in the quarter at 5800 ft which is close to 300 rwhp. I drove it like that for well over a year and that same NA engine is currently in my 951 making over 400 hp without a doubt while the 83 undergoes transformation.

With proper fuel and timing NA's will live just fine in boosted conditions.

These aren't the good old days anymore, there are options.

Some people have very nice NA's why sell them short on power if it is not needed.

I'll keep fighting this fight as long as I see "buy a turbo" as the only answer that comes up.

m73m95

I used to think exactly like you Sid. I always thought I could make my car faster for less money than a turbo. I have re-thought about it.

With a turbo, not only do you get a turbo motor than you can modify to seemingly no end, but you also get better suspension, brakes, wheels (I know you can swap wheels between the cars, but turbos come with 16" from the factory)....just a better car. In the long run, for the whole package, a turbo is cheaper.

On my car, I kept asking myself (and rennlisters) How would I put turbo brakes on my car? How do I get as much power as a turbo? How much for some 16" Fuchs??..... then I thought, why add parts to my car from a car that already exists??

blown 944

I guess I just look at it a little differently in that regard, here is my point.

How many highly modified turbos have the factory suspension..not many i have seen

How many have the factory wheels..again not many

brakes..not many

engine management..not many really

turbo ..hardly, even the supporting components ..hardly anything left stock

even internal engine components..not many..

and what is really funny to me is that the most sought after stuff is actually NA ie..2.7 head..3.0 block and even the 944s head and valvetrain. Even for mild applications the NA head is used with larger valves

then there is the trans....maybe stick with the turbo ..or..S2..or 6 speed.


once you start down the 951 slippery slope you actually find you don't end up with much more than the shell anyway. At this economy is hardly worth more than the NA counterpart.

I have analyzed it down to what the difference is, amounts to an instrument cluster with a faulty boost gauge and some updated looks, That's about it IMO

V2Rocket

and possibly the key element of SC vs turbo..


its fun to do something different. you enjoy a challenge. rather than take the easy way out (sell it and buy a turbo) you do something the other people say cant be done or isnt worth it, and have a good time doing it.

wow sid, you think mule is at 300rwhp? damnn

blown 944

Plugging it into about any calculator it is at least 290 rwhp at that MPH. Now my 951 sat at 400 running through at 117. However it didn't get going until half track (crap 60' andd only in the 60 ish mph range at 1/8th mile) so probably a little more than 400. The S/C car was much easier to drive.

This is true RWHP too not just dynod BS.
I have seen enough dyno charts around here that do not correspond to what the MPH actually is whenever dragraced to feel confident with my conclusions and in saying there are some seriously inflated numbers floating around.

Had I put the same effort into my 83 that I have into the 951 I am very confident it would have easily bested the 951.

Again I am using engine out of the NA anyway running at the very same boost level as when I raced it. So if you really want to look the power the NA is making it is most likely in the 420 range bottom end never opened..

m73m95

Alright Sid. I'm thinking of going back to Denver for X-mas (Where I'm originally from)...... expect a visit from a fat man in a red suit (and my name ain't Santa) lol.

I'd like a tour in your 300hp n/a

blown 944

Oh..anytime..I drive my 951 daily running 25 psi on an NA engine ( a little more than 300hp)

Also just make sure you wait until after ...February or so..the 83 should be a tick over 450 to start and weighing at 2400 or so it should be some fun

Ecos

Hey Sid,

How do you feel about using a 944s as a base to supercharge? I recently picked one up and I'm considering a project like this but I'm both new to Porsches and supercharging so I have a lot to learn. I do plan on taking the motor apart and redoing the internals too.

Are there any threads floating around that document your build?

blown 944

only if you are open to alternative fuels and lower boost.
It was on Pelican when I did it initially, spread among a few threads.