Project: Kijo, my '83 944
06-05-2003, 05:13 AM
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Yep; she's a Dragon alright! Even have a little red car scenting dragon, very cute!
Every Demoness is a dragon! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
- Julie
Every Demoness is a dragon! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
- Julie
06-06-2003, 04:11 AM
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Wow, a whole day has passed, and in almost a month, it's the first day I haven't done something to the car other than drive it.
Just a nice drive to one of two jobs to pay my bills while I work on the comic book, about 70 miles round trip.
There are a few squeaks here and there, but I do have alot of parts sitting in the trunk, waiting to go onto the car!
Just really the first day I had full confidence in her handling and all.
I can't wait until we get the rest done, but I think we can take a breather over the weekend. The two days a week of digging into the engine and stuff has been wearing on me, but I've been hanging in there.
I just remember the first day I had here, and we had to rip out the seats, and put in two passenger seats; Frank had already put in the passenger's seat, and I got to learn how to convert a passenger seat with hardware, and learned to reupholster the seat. That was easier than I thought, but very time consuming.
Even the first day was busy. It's exactly a month since I picked Kijo up, and I'm very happy with her.
After I get all the other work done, I can only think of the only thing that would make me happier isgetting her 'sister' back, my first 944. Bookends, heh.
Until the next update, have a great weekend!
- Julie
Just a nice drive to one of two jobs to pay my bills while I work on the comic book, about 70 miles round trip.
There are a few squeaks here and there, but I do have alot of parts sitting in the trunk, waiting to go onto the car!
Just really the first day I had full confidence in her handling and all.
I can't wait until we get the rest done, but I think we can take a breather over the weekend. The two days a week of digging into the engine and stuff has been wearing on me, but I've been hanging in there.
I just remember the first day I had here, and we had to rip out the seats, and put in two passenger seats; Frank had already put in the passenger's seat, and I got to learn how to convert a passenger seat with hardware, and learned to reupholster the seat. That was easier than I thought, but very time consuming.
Even the first day was busy. It's exactly a month since I picked Kijo up, and I'm very happy with her.
After I get all the other work done, I can only think of the only thing that would make me happier isgetting her 'sister' back, my first 944. Bookends, heh.
Until the next update, have a great weekend!
- Julie
06-06-2003, 05:22 AM
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Julie,
I finally read your story and for one am glad to have you and your Pcar here.
Welcome home sugar, whatever you need I hope you know that we will help. (belated response)
I finally read your story and for one am glad to have you and your Pcar here.
Welcome home sugar, whatever you need I hope you know that we will help. (belated response)
06-06-2003, 03:01 PM
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Thanks, Paul! I'm off to bug the Dealership, heheheh...I just want one Porsche key; the rest of the copies I don't care about.
If anything amusing happens, I'll let you all know.
- Julie
If anything amusing happens, I'll let you all know.
- Julie
06-06-2003, 09:39 PM
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Congrats Dev.
Just a little update on Kijo's twin back east.
Did the timing belt on her, finished Friday, a little driving over the weekend to build some confidence. Monday night the power steering bolt and adjustor broke due to one particular bonehead not tightening the pivot bolt. Removed the belt and headed for NY city two hours later. Got stuck in traffic in Hartford (2 hours to go 3 miles) Tuesday I headed to Harrisburg PA, Wednesday two hours north to Lake Harmony, and today 7 hours back to NH.
765 miles racked up on my new timing belt
Other than her playing a little silly buggers with the temp in some condintions she's been running fine.
Just a little update on Kijo's twin back east.
Did the timing belt on her, finished Friday, a little driving over the weekend to build some confidence. Monday night the power steering bolt and adjustor broke due to one particular bonehead not tightening the pivot bolt. Removed the belt and headed for NY city two hours later. Got stuck in traffic in Hartford (2 hours to go 3 miles) Tuesday I headed to Harrisburg PA, Wednesday two hours north to Lake Harmony, and today 7 hours back to NH.
765 miles racked up on my new timing belt
Other than her playing a little silly buggers with the temp in some condintions she's been running fine.
06-06-2003, 10:11 PM
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Good to hear that, Sid! See? Who really needs power steering, right? (Of course, I remember last week when I nearly got hit by being stupid and pulled out a little too far in front of a truck, yikes! Power steering does have it's place).
So, I went to the Dealership, and I thought I recognized the Parts manager; yes, he remembered my boyfriend's Tercel, it was great! His name is Ken, and he told me he's rescued two 928s from the wrecking yard, himself. He also told me that they had to wait 3 agonising years to get the new Porsche building, but it's really nice! I visited the mechanics area and I was really, really impressed - like 10 bays, doubled up; and plenty of air flow, with nice tool kits and cupboards in red, the rest was grey, except the lifts that came out of the floor. Just really impressive.
The mechanics said my compression was really good, so not too far off from when she was new.
So Dan made me a new key, off the same side on mine; it works, but I guess I have to break it in. I didn't want him to go through all that trouble and then not get it! At least it gets me into the car and starts it, you know. I think the answer is graphite powder.
And I found out that the concourse light yellow 356 belongs to the owner, and he likes to keep it on the showroom when he's not doing anything with it.
Oh, and then Ken printed out the problems and solutions to the older oil cooler problem!
If I ever buy a new Porsche, I would definitely go back to McKenna Porsche, but I'd want them to give the commission to the parts manager, lol. He's the one that tried to help fix my boyfriend's car 5 years ago, so I think he'd deserve it.
- Julie
So, I went to the Dealership, and I thought I recognized the Parts manager; yes, he remembered my boyfriend's Tercel, it was great! His name is Ken, and he told me he's rescued two 928s from the wrecking yard, himself. He also told me that they had to wait 3 agonising years to get the new Porsche building, but it's really nice! I visited the mechanics area and I was really, really impressed - like 10 bays, doubled up; and plenty of air flow, with nice tool kits and cupboards in red, the rest was grey, except the lifts that came out of the floor. Just really impressive.
The mechanics said my compression was really good, so not too far off from when she was new.
So Dan made me a new key, off the same side on mine; it works, but I guess I have to break it in. I didn't want him to go through all that trouble and then not get it! At least it gets me into the car and starts it, you know. I think the answer is graphite powder.
And I found out that the concourse light yellow 356 belongs to the owner, and he likes to keep it on the showroom when he's not doing anything with it.
Oh, and then Ken printed out the problems and solutions to the older oil cooler problem!
If I ever buy a new Porsche, I would definitely go back to McKenna Porsche, but I'd want them to give the commission to the parts manager, lol. He's the one that tried to help fix my boyfriend's car 5 years ago, so I think he'd deserve it.
- Julie
06-06-2003, 10:13 PM
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"Oh, and then Ken printed out the problems and solutions to the older oil cooler problem!"
Do go on...
Do go on...
06-07-2003, 01:24 AM
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oil is cooler on the garage floor. The power of Kitty Litter. too bad it wont make Kitty's disappear- the kitten went Balliostic on Patti tonite.. CATFIGHT!! Now she needs a holster for the squirtgun..... 
06-07-2003, 05:28 AM
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Um, I think I need to scan these, there are pics with the directions; I'm concerned about copyright here, just don't want to get into trouble.
Here goes:
The oil cooler was modified from '87 on, but the newer housings will fit the older cars; Ken told me that there was a design flaw in the earlier ones, you also need to check for warpage! If it's warped, update it.
"The oil cooler mount was modified as follows:
1. Plastic washer installed between housing and oil cooler.
2. Housing - Guide drilling reworking.
3. Adjustment shims between cooler and crankcase installed.
*4. Rubber ring (always replace when servicing).
The picture shows that the oil cooler housing was modified. In the pic, original design had an internal lip around the circular indentation where the cooler pops in, and the newer designs do not; this helps to keep it in place better, evidently.
So if you don't have the internal metal ring, you have the newer one. You will also need adjusting shims with the newer housing, to get the right positioning.
*But what is confusing me is that there is also a WIDE rubber ring that goes into the housing, and I don't ever remember seeing one of those!! That is part #4.
These instructions are also for the 951, 924S, and the 951S, and for both trannies.
"Repair Hints:
Pre-assemble Oil Cooler;
Install new version o_rings onto oil cooler. Install plastic washer onto cooler guide boss (use light grease to hold washer in place if necessary). Lubricate cooler O-rings with oil to prevent rolling and insert cooler into housing. Use straightedge on hosing and determine distance between oil cooler guide boss and straightedge (see photo; just has straight edge across the housing, and measuring up the straight edge from the circular flat nub).
With shims installed, measurement should be 0 plus or minus 0.25mm. The oil cooler housing gasket is NOT included in the measurement! Thickness of one shim is 0.5mm.
*Before installing cooler assembly, mount a new rubber ring (this is the new mystery part, #4, from above, thats wide and flat!) onto crankcase and hold in place with light grease or Curil.
Position preassembled oil cooler housing onto crankcase and center the housing with the appropriate centereing tool, 9215 83-86 944, 944 Turbo, and early 87 924S; 9262/1 87 on 924S, 944, 944S, 944 Turbo. Refer to teh oil pressure relief valve application information on page 4 (damned 4s!) for centering tool information.
Coat the pressure relief valve O-ring wand outer surface with oil to prevent binding during installation.
IMPORTANT NOTE:
In case of leaks at the oil cooler, the cooling system needs to be flushed. If there is engine oil on the coolant or if the coolant has entered the engine lubrication system, the CONNECTING rod bearings must be replaced. ALWAYS replace the connecting rod nuts at each repair, also."
and then at the bottom, says only for PCNA techs, not for do-it-yourselfers.
I think one of the important things here IS the Important Note!
Never, ever have I hear of the rod bearings in this before!
So, everyone, does that mean that Head Gaskets are being replaced unnessarily!? Just because of the rod bearings?
Okay, what are the rod bearings!? Does the Head Gasket involve the rod bearings, or is that a seperate thing?
Is this info new to us, being a secret held by Porsche mechanics, or has it been known to anyone here?
I can email you the manual pages; if you'd like that, please let me know.
You guys do have my email addy, so use that.
I do hope this helps everyone!
- Julie
Here goes:
The oil cooler was modified from '87 on, but the newer housings will fit the older cars; Ken told me that there was a design flaw in the earlier ones, you also need to check for warpage! If it's warped, update it.
"The oil cooler mount was modified as follows:
1. Plastic washer installed between housing and oil cooler.
2. Housing - Guide drilling reworking.
3. Adjustment shims between cooler and crankcase installed.
*4. Rubber ring (always replace when servicing).
The picture shows that the oil cooler housing was modified. In the pic, original design had an internal lip around the circular indentation where the cooler pops in, and the newer designs do not; this helps to keep it in place better, evidently.
So if you don't have the internal metal ring, you have the newer one. You will also need adjusting shims with the newer housing, to get the right positioning.
*But what is confusing me is that there is also a WIDE rubber ring that goes into the housing, and I don't ever remember seeing one of those!! That is part #4.
These instructions are also for the 951, 924S, and the 951S, and for both trannies.
"Repair Hints:
Pre-assemble Oil Cooler;
Install new version o_rings onto oil cooler. Install plastic washer onto cooler guide boss (use light grease to hold washer in place if necessary). Lubricate cooler O-rings with oil to prevent rolling and insert cooler into housing. Use straightedge on hosing and determine distance between oil cooler guide boss and straightedge (see photo; just has straight edge across the housing, and measuring up the straight edge from the circular flat nub).
With shims installed, measurement should be 0 plus or minus 0.25mm. The oil cooler housing gasket is NOT included in the measurement! Thickness of one shim is 0.5mm.
*Before installing cooler assembly, mount a new rubber ring (this is the new mystery part, #4, from above, thats wide and flat!) onto crankcase and hold in place with light grease or Curil.
Position preassembled oil cooler housing onto crankcase and center the housing with the appropriate centereing tool, 9215 83-86 944, 944 Turbo, and early 87 924S; 9262/1 87 on 924S, 944, 944S, 944 Turbo. Refer to teh oil pressure relief valve application information on page 4 (damned 4s!) for centering tool information.
Coat the pressure relief valve O-ring wand outer surface with oil to prevent binding during installation.
IMPORTANT NOTE:
In case of leaks at the oil cooler, the cooling system needs to be flushed. If there is engine oil on the coolant or if the coolant has entered the engine lubrication system, the CONNECTING rod bearings must be replaced. ALWAYS replace the connecting rod nuts at each repair, also."
and then at the bottom, says only for PCNA techs, not for do-it-yourselfers.
I think one of the important things here IS the Important Note!
Never, ever have I hear of the rod bearings in this before!
So, everyone, does that mean that Head Gaskets are being replaced unnessarily!? Just because of the rod bearings?
Okay, what are the rod bearings!? Does the Head Gasket involve the rod bearings, or is that a seperate thing?
Is this info new to us, being a secret held by Porsche mechanics, or has it been known to anyone here?
I can email you the manual pages; if you'd like that, please let me know.
You guys do have my email addy, so use that.
I do hope this helps everyone!
- Julie
06-07-2003, 09:32 AM
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Julie -
the rod bearings are the bearings that support the piston rods where they attach to the crank.
There is a procedure on how to replace them on the Tech section of Rennlist. (The guy that wrote the procedure is a good gent in my honest opinion. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
The idea is, if you get water in your oil, then replacing the rod bearings is a good idea. If you get oil in your water, then flush the water system well, but no real big deal.
Water eats bearings.
If you've ever heard of the infamous #2 rod bearing issue due to bad oiling, the procedure written helps with that too. Basically, if the rod bearings go or spin, you're looking at new pistions, rods potentially, oh - and in a bad case a new block cause a rod might just poke a hole in the side of it.
HTH!
the rod bearings are the bearings that support the piston rods where they attach to the crank.
There is a procedure on how to replace them on the Tech section of Rennlist. (The guy that wrote the procedure is a good gent in my honest opinion. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
The idea is, if you get water in your oil, then replacing the rod bearings is a good idea. If you get oil in your water, then flush the water system well, but no real big deal.
Water eats bearings.
If you've ever heard of the infamous #2 rod bearing issue due to bad oiling, the procedure written helps with that too. Basically, if the rod bearings go or spin, you're looking at new pistions, rods potentially, oh - and in a bad case a new block cause a rod might just poke a hole in the side of it.
HTH!
06-07-2003, 12:01 PM
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Julie,
After reading your story, good to hear that things are on the upswing for you...
You were at McKenna? What do you think of the new parts counter? I thought that it was a bit small...In the past KC has been very helpful, he called me at work to apologize and make me aware of their mistake in ordering the wrong part for me. Can you believe that? It was for an interior trim piece ($25), I was impressed...
Cool thing is that I live a mile from them...I definately changed my opinion of them...
Bob
After reading your story, good to hear that things are on the upswing for you...
You were at McKenna? What do you think of the new parts counter? I thought that it was a bit small...In the past KC has been very helpful, he called me at work to apologize and make me aware of their mistake in ordering the wrong part for me. Can you believe that? It was for an interior trim piece ($25), I was impressed...
Cool thing is that I live a mile from them...I definately changed my opinion of them...
Bob
06-07-2003, 02:34 PM
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Bob, I agree the new parts counter is small, but nice. They used my favorite granite that I want in my kitchen some day. Yes, Ken, KC, is very helpful, and he understands the value of staying in touch with your customers!
It's people like that who make me want to use them. I don't like any of the other Porsche dealers in the area. I have to get the rubber boot from them, but I think I won't install that or the newer **** & leather boot until I take it all apart for the upcoming clutch job.
I do think it will be soon for the clutch job, since it's apparently the original, by the way it's acting - jerking hard in first, when I go over speedbumps. I hate riding the clutch, but only way to get it to behave. So, I ride the clutch alot, but then I do remember doing it alot in my other 944, and I never had a clutch problem with her, and that is why I think this one's original.
- Julie
It's people like that who make me want to use them. I don't like any of the other Porsche dealers in the area. I have to get the rubber boot from them, but I think I won't install that or the newer **** & leather boot until I take it all apart for the upcoming clutch job.
I do think it will be soon for the clutch job, since it's apparently the original, by the way it's acting - jerking hard in first, when I go over speedbumps. I hate riding the clutch, but only way to get it to behave. So, I ride the clutch alot, but then I do remember doing it alot in my other 944, and I never had a clutch problem with her, and that is why I think this one's original.
- Julie
06-11-2003, 06:29 PM
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Car is running well, but I have to take a haitus from working on her, until I get my comic book done!
- Julie
- Julie
06-13-2003, 07:39 AM
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Well, it is definitely the oil cooler again; much all over the antifreeze, and not just a little! Looks to be about a cup of oil in there - of course, that's what's missing on the oil dipstick!
I won't have the time until after I get the comic book finished, damn it!
But I did take my friend visiting from Amsterdam for a ride in it today, and I scared the hell out of him! Was a good girl, didn't even get close to red-lining it, but the car really enjoyed the jaunt up to cruising speed.
We still have the pop-up headlight motor to replace, along with restringing the wire that goes to the fuse box from it.
I'm freaking out a little for having to park it on the street for now...I had her tucked into the compound's guest parking, but I used up all the passes allowed. Now if someone would kindly take the friggin' '50 Pontiac Firechief out of her parking spot in the garage...hate friggin' friends of roommates who take advantage. Between that and the two dogs stinking up our small backyard, I don't even like going into the garage from the house.
Enough ranting...I've got to sleep some time!
- Julie
I won't have the time until after I get the comic book finished, damn it!
But I did take my friend visiting from Amsterdam for a ride in it today, and I scared the hell out of him! Was a good girl, didn't even get close to red-lining it, but the car really enjoyed the jaunt up to cruising speed.
We still have the pop-up headlight motor to replace, along with restringing the wire that goes to the fuse box from it.
I'm freaking out a little for having to park it on the street for now...I had her tucked into the compound's guest parking, but I used up all the passes allowed. Now if someone would kindly take the friggin' '50 Pontiac Firechief out of her parking spot in the garage...hate friggin' friends of roommates who take advantage. Between that and the two dogs stinking up our small backyard, I don't even like going into the garage from the house.
Enough ranting...I've got to sleep some time!
- Julie
06-13-2003, 10:58 AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Devia:
<strong>Well, it is definitely the oil cooler again; much all over the antifreeze, and not just a little! Looks to be about a cup of oil in there - of course, that's what's missing on the oil dipstick!
I won't have the time until after I get the comic book finished, damn it!
But I did take my friend visiting from Amsterdam for a ride in it today, and I scared the hell out of him! Was a good girl, didn't even get close to red-lining it, but the car really enjoyed the jaunt up to cruising speed.
We still have the pop-up headlight motor to replace, along with restringing the wire that goes to the fuse box from it.
I'm freaking out a little for having to park it on the street for now...I had her tucked into the compound's guest parking, but I used up all the passes allowed. Now if someone would kindly take the friggin' '50 Pontiac Firechief out of her parking spot in the garage...hate friggin' friends of roommates who take advantage. Between that and the two dogs stinking up our small backyard, I don't even like going into the garage from the house.
Enough ranting...I've got to sleep some time!
- Julie</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">With your car parked outside, I'm worried from you because of your tinted windows... someone might break a window thinking there is something inside. My only advice would be to try to leave the inside of the car as empty as possible, so hopefully noone tries to get into the car.
It's strange that you have an oil cooler problem. I thought that the only cars with oil cooler problems were '87 and on, because they made a design change that caused the problem.
When you do the oil cooler, how are you planning to flush the cooling system to get the oil out? You need something with some detergent property to get the oil out of the system. I'd also be interested to know how you clean out the coolant reservoir.
Good luck with everything!
-Kevin
<strong>Well, it is definitely the oil cooler again; much all over the antifreeze, and not just a little! Looks to be about a cup of oil in there - of course, that's what's missing on the oil dipstick!
I won't have the time until after I get the comic book finished, damn it!
But I did take my friend visiting from Amsterdam for a ride in it today, and I scared the hell out of him! Was a good girl, didn't even get close to red-lining it, but the car really enjoyed the jaunt up to cruising speed.
We still have the pop-up headlight motor to replace, along with restringing the wire that goes to the fuse box from it.
I'm freaking out a little for having to park it on the street for now...I had her tucked into the compound's guest parking, but I used up all the passes allowed. Now if someone would kindly take the friggin' '50 Pontiac Firechief out of her parking spot in the garage...hate friggin' friends of roommates who take advantage. Between that and the two dogs stinking up our small backyard, I don't even like going into the garage from the house.
Enough ranting...I've got to sleep some time!
- Julie</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">With your car parked outside, I'm worried from you because of your tinted windows... someone might break a window thinking there is something inside. My only advice would be to try to leave the inside of the car as empty as possible, so hopefully noone tries to get into the car.
It's strange that you have an oil cooler problem. I thought that the only cars with oil cooler problems were '87 and on, because they made a design change that caused the problem.
When you do the oil cooler, how are you planning to flush the cooling system to get the oil out? You need something with some detergent property to get the oil out of the system. I'd also be interested to know how you clean out the coolant reservoir.
Good luck with everything!
-Kevin