V2Rocket

i think the issue with the 928 transmission is the f-ing crossmember that goes underneath it.

its easier on the 944, its like 8 bolts and yank.

iirc the battery is next to the spare tire right?

Vilhuer

Nothing difficult in it. Doesn't take long to drop entire rear suspension on the floor if needed.

Below spare in trunk. Nothing difficult in it except some people don't have any idea where it is (not meaning you in here as you got some idea where to look). I knew one 928 S owner who was after owning the car two weeks certain battery must be inside one of the front fenders. He had some electric issues which were caused by weak battery. This is typical way how 928 gets bad name even among some 928 owners. They simply don't have enough info how it works and come to conclusion that 928 must have bad design.

FRporscheman

Well of course for you, it's not an issue . You're used to it, you've perfected the procedure, and you've adjusted your standards to consider this stuff to be "easy". And I'm not saying they are very "hard" to do. They're just harder than a 944. The 928 door panels are like 3 or 4 pieces... the 944 panel is one or 2 pieces. 928 fender are a bear. Transmission... are you serious? Piece of cake? I'm a very experienced and brave home mechanic, and I never wanted to even try pulling the tranny on the 928. The 944 transmission is a piece of cake. Sunroof is a mess and lengthy procedure (but to be fair, any electric sunroof is - the 944 roof is just easier because the whole thing pops out ). 928 coolant tank is all stuffed into a tight space, and it's hard to get all the hoses reconnected... the 944 tank is right there, nothing easier. The 928 intake isn't really hard to remove it's just a lot of pieces... with a lot of rubber. And come on, the battery is totally harder to get to than the 944 battery. I know the 928 has the + jumper terminal under the hood, but still.

And as you mentioned the heads are also harder to pull. And there's two of them

Item by item, it's not much worse than a 944, but collectively, it can really make you . And it might be worth considering this when trying to choose between the two cars.

But I suppose the real question is reliability (as per the topic of the thread). The only thing I mentioned that pertains to reliability is the intake. The less gaskets, seals, o-rings and boots, the better. Am I wrong?

SeanR

Ever take the gas tank out of a 944? That damn spare tire well is in the way, you have to take the transmission down in order to do it.

928, unscrew 4 bolts, 2 hoses, tank on the ground.

Transmission is not that big of a deal, 8 bolts, disconnect some cables and it lowers easy.

Door panel, if you are complaining about a door panel, quit doing mechanical work, it's not for you. On the 928 it's unclip one panel, take out 3 screws 4 bolts. Or was it 4 screws and 3 bolts? Takes 5 minutes.

Water leaks, all cars will have water leaks with age, simple fixes.

Fender? a few bolts on top, take out the side marker after you remove the whell well liners and 4 bolts to the bumper. Admittedly, the last bumper nut is a bitch, but a 1/4 drive with a 8mm and 12" extension makes quick work of it. Took the both front and rear bumpers off a GT last weekend, took 2 hours.

FRporscheman

Not that big of a deal..... except having to drop the entire rear suspension. On the 944 you only need to take out the muffler.

Yeah you're right. Because I find a 3 piece door panel more difficult than a 1 piece door panel, I will put down the wrench forever. If you can take if off in 5 minutes then a 944 panel will take you 2. Don't get offended, I'm just saying it's more difficult than a 944's. Nothing else meant by it.

I've never removed a 944 gas tank so I'll take your word on that one. Thanks for bringing that up, I didn't know.

959Lover

I got all of you outdone. I can take off a door panel in under 2 minutes, take off a fender with the removal of 8 bolts, and can do the tranny job by myself with my arms. Well, the fact that i have manly buff arms helps too because I drive a man's car with no sissy steering assistance

In other words, arguing about who's car is easier to work on is pointless. Things are naturally 'easier' for some people than it is for others.

hacker-pschorr

It's really not hard at all. I would hope (and pray) the 944 trans is easier since it must be removed to do a clutch job (correct?) with the 928, it's rare to pull the transmission.
Not, but in a thread that has been going on this long we get to argue about the little things now

V2Rocket

i had to benchpress the end of the tranny while my dad hooked up the chassis mounts...and of course the bolts wouldnt line up...

X_X


now we need to change the topic of the discussion to...

"which is prettier, 951 or 928?"

ibkevin

Yep, hence it's just deserved contempt.