Piece of crap timing belt!!!
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Nobody has given you the Clark's writeups for them. Invaluable reference. I have the 9201, Porsche wrench, have done the job a few times, and I still keep a copy of his procedures around:
http://clarks-garage.com/shop-manual/eng-06.htm
http://clarks-garage.com/shop-manual/eng-10.htm
Think I read somewhere that a 2.5 engine expands 8mm, just from warming up. That's the standard excuse, though BMW found a way to use chains on their aluminum inline-sixes.
http://clarks-garage.com/shop-manual/eng-06.htm
http://clarks-garage.com/shop-manual/eng-10.htm
Why couldn't Porsche have just used a chain?!
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It seems with all your mechanical history that a T-belt would be a piece of cake. It's really not that difficult and I can't see why you are having such a problem with it. There are so many instructions available it's hard to go wrong. Do some more research and you'll feel better about. BTW:You can rebuild my R-700 in my Chevy anytime you want, I'll do your belts in trade ![burnout](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/burnout.gif)
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Seriously, if you want to make good on that, I will totally rebuild your 700R4. I'll even put an extra set of plates in them for more grip.
Although, you live in California, and I'm in Florida...
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Yeah, of course, that's with ME supplying all the parts... but yeah, I thought so too...
Todd,
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1984 Porsche 944
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Seriously, if you want to make good on that, I will totally rebuild your 700R4. I'll even put an extra set of plates in them for more grip.
Although, you live in California, and I'm in Florida...![Frown](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif)
Yeah, of course, that's with ME supplying all the parts... but yeah, I thought so too...
Todd,
2006 Pontiac Solstice
2004 Volkswagen Beetle Convt (Wife's)
2002 Ford Crown Victoria LX-P74
1987 Pontiac Fiero SE / V6 5-Speed
1984 Porsche 944
1981 Pontiac Trans Am WS6
1973 Volkswagen Type-2 Transporter
Although, you live in California, and I'm in Florida...
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Yeah, of course, that's with ME supplying all the parts... but yeah, I thought so too...
Todd,
2006 Pontiac Solstice
2004 Volkswagen Beetle Convt (Wife's)
2002 Ford Crown Victoria LX-P74
1987 Pontiac Fiero SE / V6 5-Speed
1984 Porsche 944
1981 Pontiac Trans Am WS6
1973 Volkswagen Type-2 Transporter
Careful what ya wish for!!! You may find me on your doorstep with a 700R4 in one hand and a 9201 in the other. I just did half my belt job in an hour. And im only 6 hours away.. then again, im kinda spoiled being at a dealership with all the special tools and a lift...
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Careful what ya wish for!!! You may find me on your doorstep with a 700R4 in one hand and a 9201 in the other. I just did half my belt job in an hour. And im only 6 hours away.. then again, im kinda spoiled being at a dealership with all the special tools and a lift... ![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
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If you want to make the drive, I'll buy beer, dinner, and give you a place to stay! AND I'll rebuild your transmission in the same time it takes you to change my belts. (Well... maybe a little longer, I have to clean the case and everything first).
I bought some stupid "Kricket" tensioning tool... which doesn't work worth a damn, nor is there even any room for me to stick it anywhere. So damn frustrating.
Todd,
2006 Pontiac Solstice
2004 Volkswagen Beetle Convt (Wife's)
2002 Ford Crown Victoria LX-P74
1987 Pontiac Fiero SE / V6 5-Speed
1984 Porsche 944
1981 Pontiac Trans Am WS6
1973 Volkswagen Type-2 Transporter
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Yeah, I'm just tired of waiting. I did get a good look at the belts that were in there, and while the balance belt seems to be a bit on the loose side, the other belt is fine and there's really no wear that I can see on it. But, I'd still like to get it changed. In the mean time, it's good enough while I finish up everything else on the car, and then when I think it's "good to go", I'll take it to Champion Porsche and have them do it, with new tools and everything else.
I was going to swap out the water pump too (looks like I already have the newer one anyway), but I'd have to take all the belts off anyway, so I'll have them do that too. At the very least, they'll warranty their work. (so long as I come back for the 500 mile retensioning).
Todd,
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2004 Volkswagen Beetle Convt (Wife's)
2002 Ford Crown Victoria LX-P74
1987 Pontiac Fiero SE / V6 5-Speed
1984 Porsche 944
1981 Pontiac Trans Am WS6
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i did the timing belt job a few days ago. pulled stuff out of the way, waited for the belt to get here from golden state overnight, and installed it and had it tensioned right this time. maybe an hour and a half actually outside.
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I don't see the big deal with 944 timing belts. The 944 timing belt is way easier to change than many other cars.
ever take ta look at the engine bay of some new cars? The 944 belt is straight forward to change you just have to get it tensioned properly and replace the water pump and oil seals at the same time if they are old.
almost all new cars are interference, except toyotas I think.
ever take ta look at the engine bay of some new cars? The 944 belt is straight forward to change you just have to get it tensioned properly and replace the water pump and oil seals at the same time if they are old.
almost all new cars are interference, except toyotas I think.
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If you want to make the drive, I'll buy beer, dinner, and give you a place to stay! AND I'll rebuild your transmission in the same time it takes you to change my belts. (Well... maybe a little longer, I have to clean the case and everything first).
I bought some stupid "Kricket" tensioning tool... which doesn't work worth a damn, nor is there even any room for me to stick it anywhere. So damn frustrating.
Todd,
2006 Pontiac Solstice
2004 Volkswagen Beetle Convt (Wife's)
2002 Ford Crown Victoria LX-P74
1987 Pontiac Fiero SE / V6 5-Speed
1984 Porsche 944
1981 Pontiac Trans Am WS6
1973 Volkswagen Type-2 Transporter
I bought some stupid "Kricket" tensioning tool... which doesn't work worth a damn, nor is there even any room for me to stick it anywhere. So damn frustrating.
Todd,
2006 Pontiac Solstice
2004 Volkswagen Beetle Convt (Wife's)
2002 Ford Crown Victoria LX-P74
1987 Pontiac Fiero SE / V6 5-Speed
1984 Porsche 944
1981 Pontiac Trans Am WS6
1973 Volkswagen Type-2 Transporter
yeah kricket isn't a tool I'd trust. BUT, I did use to kricket to tension my t-belt before bringing it to the porsche shop to check the tension and shop told me I had the belt pretty much right on.
I set belt to 40 pounds on the kricket (set it by hand 90 degrees first then checked with kricket 5 times).
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I don't see the big deal with 944 timing belts. The 944 timing belt is way easier to change than many other cars.
ever take ta look at the engine bay of some new cars? The 944 belt is straight forward to change you just have to get it tensioned properly and replace the water pump and oil seals at the same time if they are old.
almost all new cars are interference, except toyotas I think.
ever take ta look at the engine bay of some new cars? The 944 belt is straight forward to change you just have to get it tensioned properly and replace the water pump and oil seals at the same time if they are old.
almost all new cars are interference, except toyotas I think.
I've worked on plenty of newer cars. There are plenty of vehicles I've worked on that were more "difficult" than the Porsche 944, I just think it was unnecessarily complicated the way they designed it.
There are many new cars that are not interference motors. As a matter of fact, most of the motors from GM are not interference. They usually dish the pistons, or grind slots in the pistons where the valves would normall extend into.
However, a lot of car companies (GM in particular) use timing chains. I've never had a timing chain break. They do stretch, but I'd still rather have a chain for reliability.
Todd,
2006 Pontiac Solstice
2004 Volkswagen Beetle Convt (Wife's)
2002 Ford Crown Victoria LX-P74
1987 Pontiac Fiero SE / V6 5-Speed
1984 Porsche 944
1981 Pontiac Trans Am WS6
1973 Volkswagen Type-2 Transporter