Well, the 924S is NOT for sale anymore...
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for giggles, I went to start up the 924S today, to see if magically, the knocking/clicking sound I heard had gone away...
Well, it did. the knocking sound I had heard wasn't there at start up... I let it warm up, and it was still gone. got on the phone, told friends that the knocking had gone away, and as soon as I said that, of course, it comes back. I'm sad again... so I was going to drive it to a Porsche repair shop a mile from my house. see if they could help diagnose it. I get halfway there, and I'm not playing music, had the window down so I could hear the engine, and the knocking is gone again...
Hmmmmmmm.... scratch my head a bit... then the lightbulb clicks on... "IT'S A COLLAPSED LIFTER!"
So... Moral of the story... The method of pucturing the oil filter and blowing the oil out of it with compressed air, yeah. that deflates lifters.
The car is running fantastic! just needs some rollers on the front of the engine, as they're a bit noisy, and I've never changed the rollers...![ducking](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/icon107.gif)
Oh, and Apex SPG, No offense buddy, but I'm DAMN glad I didn't sell it to you at the price we discussed. I'd be kicking myself right now.
Well, it did. the knocking sound I had heard wasn't there at start up... I let it warm up, and it was still gone. got on the phone, told friends that the knocking had gone away, and as soon as I said that, of course, it comes back. I'm sad again... so I was going to drive it to a Porsche repair shop a mile from my house. see if they could help diagnose it. I get halfway there, and I'm not playing music, had the window down so I could hear the engine, and the knocking is gone again...
Hmmmmmmm.... scratch my head a bit... then the lightbulb clicks on... "IT'S A COLLAPSED LIFTER!"
So... Moral of the story... The method of pucturing the oil filter and blowing the oil out of it with compressed air, yeah. that deflates lifters.
The car is running fantastic! just needs some rollers on the front of the engine, as they're a bit noisy, and I've never changed the rollers...
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Oh, and Apex SPG, No offense buddy, but I'm DAMN glad I didn't sell it to you at the price we discussed. I'd be kicking myself right now.
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so, does that mean you have to replace something?
How exactly does a lifter "collapse"
CONGRATS! now you can go on more hot dates in the 924!
How exactly does a lifter "collapse"
CONGRATS! now you can go on more hot dates in the 924!
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lifters have springs in them but also fill with oil pressure/oil during operation and "self" adjust tension onto the cam/valves. When they wear out they tend to not pump up anymore hence "collapse". I had a ticking lifter once but it ended up just being a spun rod bearing.
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Basically, the hydraulic lifter is devoid of oil for a while. Nothing needs replacing right now.
I beleive what happened, was when I did the "flush the oil out of the filter with compressed air so you don't make a mess" trick, it forced the oil out of the lifter... therefore, it was clicking. there is a VERY small hole on the lifter that feeds it oil, so that would explain it taking a while to pump back up....
I beleive what happened, was when I did the "flush the oil out of the filter with compressed air so you don't make a mess" trick, it forced the oil out of the lifter... therefore, it was clicking. there is a VERY small hole on the lifter that feeds it oil, so that would explain it taking a while to pump back up....
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Originally Posted by xsboost90
lifters have springs in them but also fill with oil pressure/oil during operation and "self" adjust tension onto the cam/valves. When they wear out they tend to not pump up anymore hence "collapse". I had a ticking lifter once but it ended up just being a spun rod bearing.
see? easy to get the two confused.. my spun rod bearing I thought was a collapsed lifter, and since then, I've been thinking collapsed lifters have been spun rod bearings.
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Sorry, Geoff, yesterday we put a check in the mail to you for the $850 you offered the car to us for. As you know, by law, that means your offer was accepted before you withdrew it! Please take good care of it and we'll be up next week to pick her up. Don't worry, we'll only charge you a standard 50 cents per mile you drive in it until we get there! Because we love you!
Seriously, congrats on the good news!
Seriously, congrats on the good news!
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you changed the oil right Geoff?
There is a guy named Doug Hillary who posts on the 928 board and he recommends Mobil 1 Delvac 5w40 oil.
Check out some of his threads below.
He really knows his oil...
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There is a guy named Doug Hillary who posts on the 928 board and he recommends Mobil 1 Delvac 5w40 oil.
Check out some of his threads below.
He really knows his oil...
https://rennlist.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1378454
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Here is one of his posts about the Delvac oil. I used it in my 928 when I could find it...
Originally Posted by Doug Hillary
Hi,
This Oil Condition Report (Used Oil Analysis - UOA) is the eighth and final. It may be of interest to those who have followed the previous seven reports over the past almost two years
The oil and filter were NOT changed at this point as ExxonMobil's Lab. report OK'd the oil for continued use. It will be changed about one month from now at Porsche's prescribed maximum time limit of twelve months or sooner if the distance covered exceeds 12k miles
This is the fourth UOA on Mobil's Delvac 1 5w-40, a fully synthetic commercial "mixed fleet" HDEO (heavy duty engine oil). This oil has both the highest diesel/petrol ratings and is the latest API "CI-4/SL" rated "mixed fleet" diesel engine oil. It also exceeds ACEA's A3 and B3 ( E3, 4, 5 & B4) ratings. It is suitable for high performance petrol engine vehicles and meets the 928's viscosity and quality requirements stated in the Owners Handbook
Details:
Car - MY89 - 928S4 Auto
Speedo - 84557 miles (136163kms)
Oil - Mobil Delvac 1 - 5w-40 full synthetic - API rated as "CI-4/SL"
Oil/filter change date - 09/20/03 (OEM "MANN" filter used )
Distance since oil/filter changed - 11848 miles (19079kms)
Time since oil/filter changed - eleven+ months
Oil used since oil/filter change - nil (still near "FULL" mark)
Date of this sample - 8/23/04
Distance since last UOA - 1545 mile(2488kms)
Time since last UOA - approx. four months
Use in this period (approx) - 10% town, 13% urban, 77% hiway
Avg speed in period - 44 mph (70km/h)
Fuel economy in period - 20mpg US (11.8ltr/100km) (24 mpg Imp)
Ambient in this period - from 35c high to -3c low Humidity in this period - 88% (highest)
Oil Condition - "use" factors;
Viscosity OK - 92 (excellent)
Water OK - 0.0%
Soot Index OK - 0.00
TAN OK - 3.7. (excellent) - Start 1.00 & Max allowed 8.9
Lab. Report Summary
ExxonMobil's rating now - "Normal"
Status-Excellent for continued use
Last Report - "Normal"
Elemental (& wear metal) Analysis;
Detail of the Elemental columns are:
Col 1 = this UOA (my comments in brackets)
Col 2 = averages of all eight UOA's
Col 3 = Oil Industry's "acceptable" max. wear rates (rounded) & not 928 specific
Iron 10 ( excellent ) [8] (( >100 ))
Aluminium 6 ( excellent ) [4] (( >30 ))
Chromium 1 ( excellent ) [<1 ] (( >30 ))
Copper 4 ( excellent ) [4] (( >50 ))
Lead 11 ( excellent ) [6] (( >100 ))
Silicon 5 ( excellent ) [8] (( >30 ))
Sodium 6 ( excellent ) [4] (( >10 ))
Note:
The elemental/wear metal rates are very low. All are around the previous averages and well below the Auto Industry's "acceptable" figures. This indicates that the rings, pistons, bores, cams, bearings and other major components are wearing at a very very low rate indeed
This is another "technical analysis" of why the 928 engine is so durable in normal use when using the Porsche recommended (or better) lubricants that are changed at Porsche's recommended servicing intervals
Oil Condition Summary:
The lighter 5w-40 viscosity oil has now been used for almost 12000 miles (19079kms) over about eleven months. During this time the car was driven above 100mph(160km/h) for some long periods in 30+C and at below freezing temperatures
This very high quality oil has contributed to the overall lowering wear rate trends and has caused the wear trend averages to fall accordingly
The oil will be changed in September according to Porsche's time - maximum 12 months use - recommendation, but the maximum distance may still be reached!
RENNLIST's 928 owners now have a very good baseline of UOAs from which to measure their own engine's wear and oil degradation rate trends. This will also assist those persons who race our engines.
A number of Labs. in NA do UOAs - but it is always better to use one that is well known
Regards
This Oil Condition Report (Used Oil Analysis - UOA) is the eighth and final. It may be of interest to those who have followed the previous seven reports over the past almost two years
The oil and filter were NOT changed at this point as ExxonMobil's Lab. report OK'd the oil for continued use. It will be changed about one month from now at Porsche's prescribed maximum time limit of twelve months or sooner if the distance covered exceeds 12k miles
This is the fourth UOA on Mobil's Delvac 1 5w-40, a fully synthetic commercial "mixed fleet" HDEO (heavy duty engine oil). This oil has both the highest diesel/petrol ratings and is the latest API "CI-4/SL" rated "mixed fleet" diesel engine oil. It also exceeds ACEA's A3 and B3 ( E3, 4, 5 & B4) ratings. It is suitable for high performance petrol engine vehicles and meets the 928's viscosity and quality requirements stated in the Owners Handbook
Details:
Car - MY89 - 928S4 Auto
Speedo - 84557 miles (136163kms)
Oil - Mobil Delvac 1 - 5w-40 full synthetic - API rated as "CI-4/SL"
Oil/filter change date - 09/20/03 (OEM "MANN" filter used )
Distance since oil/filter changed - 11848 miles (19079kms)
Time since oil/filter changed - eleven+ months
Oil used since oil/filter change - nil (still near "FULL" mark)
Date of this sample - 8/23/04
Distance since last UOA - 1545 mile(2488kms)
Time since last UOA - approx. four months
Use in this period (approx) - 10% town, 13% urban, 77% hiway
Avg speed in period - 44 mph (70km/h)
Fuel economy in period - 20mpg US (11.8ltr/100km) (24 mpg Imp)
Ambient in this period - from 35c high to -3c low Humidity in this period - 88% (highest)
Oil Condition - "use" factors;
Viscosity OK - 92 (excellent)
Water OK - 0.0%
Soot Index OK - 0.00
TAN OK - 3.7. (excellent) - Start 1.00 & Max allowed 8.9
Lab. Report Summary
ExxonMobil's rating now - "Normal"
Status-Excellent for continued use
Last Report - "Normal"
Elemental (& wear metal) Analysis;
Detail of the Elemental columns are:
Col 1 = this UOA (my comments in brackets)
Col 2 = averages of all eight UOA's
Col 3 = Oil Industry's "acceptable" max. wear rates (rounded) & not 928 specific
Iron 10 ( excellent ) [8] (( >100 ))
Aluminium 6 ( excellent ) [4] (( >30 ))
Chromium 1 ( excellent ) [<1 ] (( >30 ))
Copper 4 ( excellent ) [4] (( >50 ))
Lead 11 ( excellent ) [6] (( >100 ))
Silicon 5 ( excellent ) [8] (( >30 ))
Sodium 6 ( excellent ) [4] (( >10 ))
Note:
The elemental/wear metal rates are very low. All are around the previous averages and well below the Auto Industry's "acceptable" figures. This indicates that the rings, pistons, bores, cams, bearings and other major components are wearing at a very very low rate indeed
This is another "technical analysis" of why the 928 engine is so durable in normal use when using the Porsche recommended (or better) lubricants that are changed at Porsche's recommended servicing intervals
Oil Condition Summary:
The lighter 5w-40 viscosity oil has now been used for almost 12000 miles (19079kms) over about eleven months. During this time the car was driven above 100mph(160km/h) for some long periods in 30+C and at below freezing temperatures
This very high quality oil has contributed to the overall lowering wear rate trends and has caused the wear trend averages to fall accordingly
The oil will be changed in September according to Porsche's time - maximum 12 months use - recommendation, but the maximum distance may still be reached!
RENNLIST's 928 owners now have a very good baseline of UOAs from which to measure their own engine's wear and oil degradation rate trends. This will also assist those persons who race our engines.
A number of Labs. in NA do UOAs - but it is always better to use one that is well known
Regards
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Damn! I saw your "for sale" post about an hour after you put it up. If you lived within a couple hundred miles of me, that bitch would have been mine! Damn!
But seriously, I'm glad you figured it out. She looks too good to be parted out or turned into a track car or something. Congrats!
But seriously, I'm glad you figured it out. She looks too good to be parted out or turned into a track car or something. Congrats!