Notices
924/931/944/951/968 Forum Porsche 924, 924S, 931, 944, 944S, 944S2, 951, and 968 discussion, how-to guides, and technical help. (1976-1995)
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Proper Tool Care

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-08-2006, 03:23 AM
  #1  
shmucklebuckle
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
 
shmucklebuckle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 1,340
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Proper Tool Care

After disassembly of my head, I now know why my headgasket "blew." I use quotation marks because the gasket itself did not fail. Upon removal of the head, I found several of the head stud nuts to be loose. LOOSE! Why did this happen? I know I used a torque wrench to tighen them to spec, so how could this be? Well, when a torque wrench is put away set to a particular torque setting, it ruins the accuracy of the torque wrench (click-type). This I already know. Now, I also know my torque wrench has been put away without resetting to 0 (or lowest shown torque value), for long periods of time. What I didn't know was how sensative the wrench was to this storage mistake. So, for the Love of God, set your torque wrenches to the lowest reading shown, or else face re-doing a headgasket.

The good news is, this is the 3rd headgasket job I've done in the last 3 months (read: I'm getting quick at it), so after 1.5 hrs, I've got the head out New head and gasket set from Legoland951 are set to go in tomorrow after work. More on that later.

Last edited by shmucklebuckle; 03-09-2006 at 12:33 AM.
Old 03-08-2006, 05:33 AM
  #2  
Mighty Shilling
Wax On, Wax Off
Rennlist Member
 
Mighty Shilling's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: 5280 ft above the sea
Posts: 17,727
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Hmmm... good to know... that could be why my torque wrench is sleeping with the fishes... (it's dead...)
Old 03-09-2006, 12:34 AM
  #3  
shmucklebuckle
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
 
shmucklebuckle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 1,340
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I might also add that if you know your wrench has been put away at any value above "0" (or lowest shown setting), send it off to a instrument shop to be re-calibrated.
Old 03-09-2006, 12:37 AM
  #4  
Manning
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Manning's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Posts: 5,910
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Never use a click style torque wrench for torquing down heads.
Old 03-09-2006, 12:46 AM
  #5  
Yabo
Rennlist Member
 
Yabo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Boston
Posts: 11,710
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

damnit.. now where can i bring my torque wrench to be calibrated? does sears or someone do that?
Old 03-09-2006, 01:36 AM
  #6  
mavfan
Three Wheelin'
 
mavfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: O'Fallon, IL
Posts: 1,807
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

glad to hear you found out what the problem with your car was man. you seemed UBER pissed at it in one of your last threads! GJ
Old 03-09-2006, 05:07 AM
  #7  
shmucklebuckle
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
 
shmucklebuckle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 1,340
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

GREAT. At least 2 out of 10 threads for the head studs in my block are stripped. F!#king great. I didn't do anything wrong! WTF?!! I guess I have to find a heli-coil deal for those now. Un f^&king believable. And now I have to buy a beam type wrench? What a huge pain in the *** this car is.

Trending Topics

Old 03-09-2006, 11:42 AM
  #8  
Yabo
Rennlist Member
 
Yabo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Boston
Posts: 11,710
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Default

are you sure you didn't overtorque and stripped the threads, thus making the bolts loose?
Old 03-09-2006, 12:46 PM
  #9  
quinnfiske
Pro
 
quinnfiske's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Waukesha Wisconsin
Posts: 551
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I have a Sears Craftsman click type. Sears can recalibrate it. I had mine done before an engine rebuild and it was fairly cheap and took a few weeks. I always keep it at zero when not in use.
Old 03-09-2006, 05:43 PM
  #10  
shmucklebuckle
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
 
shmucklebuckle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 1,340
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by yieldsign2
are you sure you didn't overtorque and stripped the threads, thus making the bolts loose?
I guess I must have, I don't know how else they would strip. The out-of-spec wrench at home must be over torquing stuff. /sigh
Old 03-09-2006, 06:12 PM
  #11  
Manning
Addict
Rennlist Member

 
Manning's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Posts: 5,910
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Like I just wrote in the other torque wrench thread, proper hand position among other things is very important when using a torque wrench. Combine bad hand position or wrenching angle with a wrench that is out of spec and you are asking for trouble
Old 03-09-2006, 06:17 PM
  #12  
apierce918
Addic
Rennlist Member
 
apierce918's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Fox Valley, WI
Posts: 6,293
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

i hope my connecting rods dont wiggle loose
Old 03-09-2006, 09:38 PM
  #13  
Legoland951
Race Car
 
Legoland951's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Los Angeles, Ca
Posts: 4,032
Likes: 0
Received 13 Likes on 12 Posts
Default

Trevor, I have a snap on indicator dial torque wrench. It takes at least 100 ft lb of torque to strip the head studs. They are not easy to remove at all so you may need specialty tools to get them out. Also, don't you have someone at work with a good torque wrench? You can borrow mine if you can't find one.
Old 03-09-2006, 10:41 PM
  #14  
brad-cam
Burning Brakes
 
brad-cam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 978
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

The torque specs for 944 head stud nuts are specified by angle, not torque value, so I just use a breaker bar (after setting each one to the low value of 15 ft-lbs of course). The procedure is CYL-03 on Clark's Garage.
Old 03-09-2006, 10:44 PM
  #15  
Peckster
Nordschleife Master
 
Peckster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto
Posts: 5,748
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Incorrect torque would not cause nuts to be loose. Sounds like you have other problems, maybe the threads are pulling out of the head and you didn't notice when you were torquing? But not zeroing your torque wrench was not your problem.


Quick Reply: Proper Tool Care



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 02:23 AM.