ilikemy944

I have a terribly bad urge to do some track stuff, and then more track stuff... And, more... track stuff of course...
SO...

Build the n/a to track it? I guess that would entail stripping everything and making my own 944-spec car? The only downside to this is my car is almost perfect on the inside, and close on the outside... Should I find something else to work on? If I got another, it'll have to be cheap, otherwise I can drop some cash getting this, and myself, ready for some good fun

BTW, I won't be doing this to the 951, it will be just a street car, with a cage.

Anyone looking to part with a good basis for this? Crapped-interior 944? Something? I need another project my n/a is almost back together for daily driver mode.

Macfreak007

if you are not worried about being competitive then you could just go with your 944, although i hate to see one with a flawless interior stripped, I debated this... In order to be competitive you will ned a 944s, because of its classing in SCCA club racing... If i were you I would look for a clunker, buy it cheap and rip the interior out, weld your own cage, do a little maintenence and take it to the track. That was my plan for the yellow car before i sold it... One day... man, where are you funding all these cars, I'm jealous!!

ian

PM sent

xsboost90

man that turbo is set up! run that thing!!!

joseph mitro

why is that? in that case, i will be competitive!! sweet.

i am stripping my interior right now, and sometimes i think "what a waste to remove all this stuff and tear it up." then other times I think "it's old and the car is not valuable anyway, so what the heck."

you can probably remove your interior and keep the pieces mostly intact if you are careful. also, consider keeping the interior intact and getting into drivers ed first before going full out and stripping the interior entirely.

Geo

The 944S has a much better power to weight ratio than the 944 as currently classified.

M758

Well...
... Do you want to track it? autocross it? or race it?

Those are different goals and will be different things.

If you want to race or autocross and be competitive then class rules dictiate what you can/can't do to your car.
If you just want to track it then there are now rules.

In my case about 5 years ago I had my nice 951 and did autocross and track event with that. The car was 100% stock and liked it that way. Over time I wanted to push the car harder and at the same time not beat on my nice 951.

My solution was to build a autocross/track car from a wrecked 924S and an old beat-up 84 944. My father and I had intentions of using the 924S parts to restore the 944, but decided to just use the good 924S mechicals in the beat-up 84 944. Our plan was to emulate a couple cars we had seen at local track/autocross days. One was a 944 stripped out and set-up for racing. Anothoer was a 1980 911SC that was also stripped out and prepped for autocross and track days. The 911 was supposed to very light and mostly stock sans anything that did not make the car go and some minor suspension work. Motor was stock. The owner had a blast.

We figured the 944 NA would be great candiate for this. Sure it would be slower than my 951, but had couple advantages.

1) We had the chassis and donor motor laying around
2) Limited power mods for a 944 NA va 951 mean less $ spent on power and more effort on driving. The hope was that this would keep costs manageble
3) NA's are better at autocross than most turbo's due to gearing and turbo lag.
4) 944's are simpler to work in than 951 due to less stuff.
5) Could "upgrade" to 951 parts if needed for strength.
6) Goals were, LOW Cost, Learning, and Fun.

So our work entailed installing the donor motor in the 944 and then ripping out everything that did not make the car go. All this stuff was dead weight and not needed. The intrior in the car was pretty nasty too and that helped us do this.

In fact our first autocross with the car saw the car stripped out, but with stock springs and shocks. The only investment dollar wise was new Victoracers and a 5pt harness. The car turned out to be a blast at the autocross. In time we added suspension and safety gear. Then figured it was not that far to make it legal (safetywise) for club racing. So we did that. Then 944-spec came along.

macnewma

You could also look into buying a track car that is already built. This is sometimes the most economical way to do it.

Max

Mongo

sorry for going off tangent here, but I checked the 944 spec website looking for the rules and requirements and the site appears to be down. Does anyone have a link to an alternative site??? I'm interested in joining 944 spec.

Andy

Macfreak007

I think 944-spec website has been down for a good time, another good place to get info is http://www.44cup.com/

M758

Click the link in my signature.

Right now we are working on updating the old site.

http://nasafoums.com is the main discussion area for 944-spec in az, southern california and northern california. We are pretty strong in Az and So-cal and just getting going in Nor Cal.

Feel free to PM me with any questions.

macnewma

What regions do the 944Cup and 944Spec series cover? What would be best for a guy located in lets say, Indianapolis?

Max

Mongo

It seems that the 944 Spec in Arizona is pretty hot. I'm really looking forward to moving there when I finish school since most friends I know from PCA have relocated to Phoenix and the outskirts around there

Andy

M758

Hmm,
Looks like even my links are dead. Well like I said we are in the process of updating webpages and so forth. I do have a copy of the latest 944-spec rules I can PM you with. We are in process of updating these rules. No major changes, really just claifications and minor tweeks.

In VERY brief version.
Rules are as such
Engine
Engine internals stock, Exhaust free including the header. intake free to AFM flapper door which must be maintain and unmodified. Chips are allowed. Slight bump in compression ratio allowed.

Chassis.
Removal of nearly all non important items. No fiberglass or lexan however. No non-stock spoilers or body add-ons. Min weight is 2600 with driver

Brakes
Stock. Can upgrade pads, brake lines, and use drilled or slotted stock sized rotors and any fluid

Suspension
Shocks are spec'ed to Koni yellow or Billstein, Max 30 mm rear torsion bars and no rear coilover, Fronts are free with 250 lbs springs or Paragon's coilover kit common. Sway bars are free. No cockpit adjustable bars.

Wheels and tires
Only 15x7 phone dials or 15x7 cookie cutter are legal (no fuchs) offest must be early or late and cars must use the right offset for the car. Early offset suspesion requires early offest wheels.
Tires are limited to 225/50 toyo RA-1 for all racers.

Transmission
Stock gears, Any LSD, can use 924S / 88 944 .829 5th gear or 83-87 944 .729 5th gear.

Safety gear.
Full cages, window nets, race seat, harness. kill switch.

I think that pretty much covers it.

M758

944Cup uses a vastly different rule set. They are focused on ITS legal SCCA 944's and PCA stock class 944's. 944-spec rules are a ground-up new rule set developed to optimize the speed vs prep cost vs relaiblity vs maintence cost equation.

944 Cup is based in Virgina on the east cost. It has chapter in florida as well. Most races are run in those areas.

944-spec is base in the southwest with most racings in Arizona and Southern california. We do have a few folks in Northern California, but that is just starting to grow.

So in the midwest you are SOL for now. UNLESS you want to start a chapter in that region. There is a Ohio/Indiana NASA region and you or anyone else is more than welcome to bring 944-spec to that part of the world. All you need really to build a car to the rules, promo the series, and agree to coordinate new drivers.

That is how 944-spec expanded to So-cal from its Az roots. One guy in So-cal said "We can do this here too!"