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Old 06-14-2019, 08:50 PM
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Question When box welding early 944 control arms ...

I have a spare set of control arms for my early 85 944. I am going to try my hand at box welding them for strength. Any recommendations on what gauge steel to use? Or other advice, for that matter?
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Originally Posted by DaddyGlenn
I have a spare set of control arms for my early 85 944. I am going to try my hand at box welding them for strength. Any recommendations on what gauge steel to use? Or other advice, for that matter?
My advice is Don't do it, you need to make sure you don't induce any stress points as no flex is a bad thing, if you stiffen a certain section, where that meets a standard section creates a stress point
Usually I am all for "giving it a go" but in this case the potential cost (of life/health) is too much
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Originally Posted by aussie944cab
My advice is Don't do it, you need to make sure you don't induce any stress points as no flex is a bad thing, if you stiffen a certain section, where that meets a standard section creates a stress point
Usually I am all for "giving it a go" but in this case the potential cost (of life/health) is too much
But haven't people been doing this for a long time on these cars, with no ill effects? Steel doesn't fail catastrophically, like the alloy arms can.
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I have heard the philosophy that the control arm is the weak link. Better to bend this part and just replace it. It would be very hard to break this part.

That said, I boxed the control arms on my track car. The gauge of the material is really not the important parameter. The fact that you are boxing the section is where the strength comes from.

Bottom line: 1/16" material.
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It's required to box the a-arms in my PCA region. They are known to fail at the track. I've been running them on my car for the last 10 years. No stress cracks. Lol.
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I stand corrected
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As long as the welder is competent and aware of the metal gauge of the arms and the reinforcing piece and gets the "heat" right I think it is OK.
Looking at my A-arms I wonder if you'd gain anything by using a round tube (~1" OD?) to "fill the gap" rather than a simple flat stock triangulating the "box".
Round tube would probably fit the "valley" nicely and give lots of surface area to weld to, and it's stiffer than flat bar.
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Originally Posted by V2Rocket
As long as the welder is competent and aware of the metal gauge of the arms and the reinforcing piece and gets the "heat" right I think it is OK.
Looking at my A-arms I wonder if you'd gain anything by using a round tube (~1" OD?) to "fill the gap" rather than a simple flat stock triangulating the "box".
Round tube would probably fit the "valley" nicely and give lots of surface area to weld to, and it's stiffer than flat bar.
Sold a pair of reinforced gusset steel lowet control arms to a customer in Australia. The outside web was welded with 1/8 " steel strap and key areas where the sway bar mounted were reinforced.

Customer was very 😊, Harvey Ferris post is also supportive for steel strap aka flat bar stock.

The steel arms were on a race car for 7 years and NO stress cracks. Just control the heat, tig weld or mig weld
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Curious how the factory did it on their race cars, certainly doesn’t look stock from this angle.


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Looks like a stock 924 arm to.me.

They had the swaybar mount on the arm., that's the round thing sticking forward.
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Originally Posted by V2Rocket
Looks like a stock 924 arm to.me.

They had the swaybar mount on the arm., that's the round thing sticking forward.
Ah yes I see now, that round bump made me think it was modified when in fact the early 924 arms were built like that
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So, 16 gauge (1/16") steel, Mig welded should do the trick, right?



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