Timing belt/water pump kit
#1
Timing belt/water pump kit
I need to replace all belts and the water pump on a 1986 944 that I recently purchased with 180k+ miles (not sure of actual miles). Only maintenance records show timing belts and water pump changed at just under 100k about 18 years ago. No idea if it has been changed since.
Im looking at this kit from ECS. Any comments about price, product quality or completeness of this kit?
https://www.ecstuning.com/b-assemble...SABEgJJhvD_BwE
Thanks!
Brad
Im looking at this kit from ECS. Any comments about price, product quality or completeness of this kit?
https://www.ecstuning.com/b-assemble...SABEgJJhvD_BwE
Thanks!
Brad
#2
skip ECS.
go to Zim's auto and pay 2/3 as much...and get the BEST water pumps in the 944 business.
i've installed 30+ of these kits without problem...
https://www.allzim.com/store/cam-bal...ategory_id=707
https://www.allzim.com/store/remanuf...44t-86-90.html
https://www.allzim.com/store/thermos...-s-s2-968.html
https://www.allzim.com/store/thermos...-s-s2-968.html
go to Zim's auto and pay 2/3 as much...and get the BEST water pumps in the 944 business.
i've installed 30+ of these kits without problem...
https://www.allzim.com/store/cam-bal...ategory_id=707
https://www.allzim.com/store/remanuf...44t-86-90.html
https://www.allzim.com/store/thermos...-s-s2-968.html
https://www.allzim.com/store/thermos...-s-s2-968.html
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andrew_944T (05-31-2022)
#4
most of the 944 parts suppliers are in the same ball park as ZIMS.
but ordering from ZIMS is a matter of convenience since they have the only water pumps worth consideration.
ECS just chooses to jack the price up by $250 because they're offering genuine Porsche coolant..lol
but ordering from ZIMS is a matter of convenience since they have the only water pumps worth consideration.
ECS just chooses to jack the price up by $250 because they're offering genuine Porsche coolant..lol
#5
Thanks! Those prices do look much better and better quality components.
Any thoughts on a tool kit? I’ve never changed the timing belt before and it looks like there are a couple of special tools and fly wheel lock that I will need. 944online has a couple of kits that I am looking at.
Any thoughts on a tool kit? I’ve never changed the timing belt before and it looks like there are a couple of special tools and fly wheel lock that I will need. 944online has a couple of kits that I am looking at.
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#9
+1 for the arnnworx. High quality stuff.
A torque wrench capable of 155 ft lbs is needed for the crank bolt.
And being that pump has been on there for 18 years, go super easy and work those 6 mm bolts back and forth slowly! I just did my water pump for the first time on my car. I did get all of the bolts out, however I did have to helicoil one of the bolt holes.
It's a good idea after the pump is installed, fill and bleed the cooling system and pressure test before you start reinstalling the belts. It would really suck if you had to take it apart again for a leak.
A torque wrench capable of 155 ft lbs is needed for the crank bolt.
And being that pump has been on there for 18 years, go super easy and work those 6 mm bolts back and forth slowly! I just did my water pump for the first time on my car. I did get all of the bolts out, however I did have to helicoil one of the bolt holes.
It's a good idea after the pump is installed, fill and bleed the cooling system and pressure test before you start reinstalling the belts. It would really suck if you had to take it apart again for a leak.
#10
I'm ready to get my order placed with Zims. FYI I have an '86 NA.
I'm confused between the two water pumps. There is the late version 944T 86-90 that is in my order. There is also the remanufactured water pump, late version, 944 87-90 (or 83-86 if updated). I believe this is the correct pump but it is out of stock. I have read the 944T model works with the block-off plate. Is that true? I have also read about the different size O-rings for the thermostat. Is that something I need to research more or is it not an issue with the new water pump and TStat that I am ordering.
Please let me know if there is anything I am missing.
Here is what I put together on Zims:
Remanufactured Water Pump, Late Version, 944T 86-90Weight: 5.2800 lbs$120.00 ×$120.00 Core
$100.00 ×$100.00
Cam/Balance Shaft Belt & Roller Kit, 944 -86 (late)Weight: 1.5000 lbs$214.00 ×$214.00
Thermostat Seal, Thin Type, 924S/944/T/S/S2/968Weight: 0.0100 lbs$3.55 ×$3.55
Thermostat, Stock Temp, 924S/944/T/S/S2/968Weight: 0.3000 lbs$13.95 ×$13.95
Timing Belt Guide Rail for 944 Water PumpWeight: 0.0800 lbs$14.00 ×$14.00
Hardware Kit for Waterpump InstallationWeight: 0.4000 lbs$10.50 ×$10.50
Belt, Alternator & A/C, 944/T/S/S2/968Weight: 0.2600 lbs$15.95 ×$15.95
Waterpump Fitting/Block Off Plate, 944 allWeight: 0.0980 lbs$6.75 ×$6.75
Waterpump Gasket, 924S/944/S/T/S2/968Weight: 0.0100 lbs$3.95 ×$3.95
I'm confused between the two water pumps. There is the late version 944T 86-90 that is in my order. There is also the remanufactured water pump, late version, 944 87-90 (or 83-86 if updated). I believe this is the correct pump but it is out of stock. I have read the 944T model works with the block-off plate. Is that true? I have also read about the different size O-rings for the thermostat. Is that something I need to research more or is it not an issue with the new water pump and TStat that I am ordering.
Please let me know if there is anything I am missing.
Here is what I put together on Zims:
Remanufactured Water Pump, Late Version, 944T 86-90Weight: 5.2800 lbs$120.00 ×$120.00 Core
$100.00 ×$100.00
Cam/Balance Shaft Belt & Roller Kit, 944 -86 (late)Weight: 1.5000 lbs$214.00 ×$214.00
Thermostat Seal, Thin Type, 924S/944/T/S/S2/968Weight: 0.0100 lbs$3.55 ×$3.55
Thermostat, Stock Temp, 924S/944/T/S/S2/968Weight: 0.3000 lbs$13.95 ×$13.95
Timing Belt Guide Rail for 944 Water PumpWeight: 0.0800 lbs$14.00 ×$14.00
Hardware Kit for Waterpump InstallationWeight: 0.4000 lbs$10.50 ×$10.50
Belt, Alternator & A/C, 944/T/S/S2/968Weight: 0.2600 lbs$15.95 ×$15.95
Waterpump Fitting/Block Off Plate, 944 allWeight: 0.0980 lbs$6.75 ×$6.75
Waterpump Gasket, 924S/944/S/T/S2/968Weight: 0.0100 lbs$3.95 ×$3.95
#12
I get most of my stuff from Zims and they are a good bunch. Call them if you have any questions.
One thing on the water pump. If your pump case and / or impeller has been damaged by contact with each other, it is not rebuildable and you will not get your core charge refunded. In this event you may want to get a new pump instead as it doesn't require a core charge and doesn't cost much more than a rebuilt. To know for sure, you'd have to remove the pump before you ordered parts but this sequence may not be convenient for you.
However, as long as you didn't have a complete bearing failure complete with a wobbling shaft, you probably have a rebuildable core.
Good Luck!
One thing on the water pump. If your pump case and / or impeller has been damaged by contact with each other, it is not rebuildable and you will not get your core charge refunded. In this event you may want to get a new pump instead as it doesn't require a core charge and doesn't cost much more than a rebuilt. To know for sure, you'd have to remove the pump before you ordered parts but this sequence may not be convenient for you.
However, as long as you didn't have a complete bearing failure complete with a wobbling shaft, you probably have a rebuildable core.
Good Luck!
#14
I don’t know what/where all of these seals are. Is there a kit that contains them with instructions? Are these difficult to install or require any special tools? There are currently no leaks in the front end of the engine.
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