If you have a pic of a 944 with 19" wheels plz post the picture THANKS!!
12-12-2003, 04:41 AM
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Yeah, 100€ ... they said I would have gotten a full refund if I hadn't driven with the tires, now they couldn't really re-sell them as new 
Anyway I think the 18's look better, here's a pic with them:
Anyway I think the 18's look better, here's a pic with them:
12-12-2003, 05:17 AM
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Sorry for the hijack, but Sami, i saw a vid of your car..... You were at some track day with a bunch of bimmers, and other makes and models including a black 924S... it was on of the Van Kowen Design Vids... Looked good!!!
12-12-2003, 05:23 AM
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Jonas, are you sure?? Where'd you get such a video, I'd love to see it ... 
I've been out with bimmers and whatnot, but I don't remember a black 924S. Do you know what track it was, and could it have been some other car?
I've been out with bimmers and whatnot, but I don't remember a black 924S. Do you know what track it was, and could it have been some other car?
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12-12-2003, 06:04 AM
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WOW! All I can say is WOW!!! I've always wondered how tall a RD one could squeeze under these fenders- a 255/35/19 is 26.02"- stock is 24.68" OR 24.86" (951S/951). That's AWESOME- I LOVE the way it fills out that rear fender- they just don't look right w/smaller tires back there- they need at LEAST the standard 255/40/17 (25.03") & even THAT could use a little more IMO- the 951 is one car that just doesn't seem to be able to find a wheel that is too big- consider the fact that it is relatively the same size as an Integra or Civic- how do you think THOSE cars look w/17" wheels? Much less 18's....& 19's???? Forget about it..... That's really cool though- I think perfect would be ~285/35/18 (25.85" RD)... Of course, I'd just love to get some 17's right now.... The only prob w/the 19's- the stock rotors start to look a hair small w/18's, by the time you get to 19's, there is no questioon- they're too small in relation for sure....
How much did those 19's WEIGH? What about the 18's?
How much did those 19's WEIGH? What about the 18's?
12-12-2003, 11:15 AM
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Why do people put wheels that huge on their 944s? Is there an advantage besides looks?
Bryan
Why do people put wheels that huge on their 944s? Is there an advantage besides looks?
Bryan
Just a word of caution.
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12-12-2003, 11:40 AM
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I completely agree w/the disadvantages larger wheels bring- I think 17's are about the perfect diameter for overall performance, BUT, I DO think that 18's actually LOOK a little better on these cars especially IF the rotor diam has increased as well... The rear wheel well/fender area doesn't look right from the side view- it's the ugliest part of an otherwise attractive car- it's just shaped funny- the problem is a combination of several things- RD, height of car, width of tire/wheel & offset of wheel, along w/the bulging fenders. I personally like the Porsche factory wheels better than any of the aftermarket wheels, although there are several (& ONLY several) aftermarket wheels that I like- I DO like the looks of Sami's, although I think my overall favorite wheel for a 951 is the hollow spoke- the twist shape of the hollow spoke is different than that of the 996/Boxster, etc & is very subtle at first glance...
Anyway, the HUGE wheel trend is REALLY getting out of hand- hell, at this rate, we'll eventually end up w/wide wagon wheels on our cars- I think 951's really need 17's to look their best, OR, 18's, but, the excess weight, etc, of 18's is definately a performacne trade-off in most cases- by the time you get to 19's, it's just gone overboard IMO- especially if you look at how the once large 12" rotors then look puny- rotors are also something that end up falling to the law of diminishing returns- anything above ~13" really doesn't help too much anymore- my X-drilled 12" Turbo S rotors weigh ~15lbs/ea new & 12.7" solid rotors are supposed to weigh ~21lbs- that's a large increase- I don't even plan to add Big Reds unless I can get 2-piece rotors for a reasonable price- the prob still exists there, in that the outermost edge is where the extra weight is the problem & the 2-piece design only removes weight from the innermost section... Anyway, to each their own, but, I guess Sami completly agrees w/19's being too large or he wouldn't have sent his back- they would LOOK good IMO IF you went to at least 14" rotors- think about that- the stock 16" wheels cover 12" rotors, so, to have a 4" dif b/t wheel & rotor, you'd have to have 15" rotors w/19" rims- those things would have to weigh 35lbs/ea UNLESS you could afford ceramics... STILL....not worth it all in my book- I'll leave the 19" - 21"+ wheels to the F&F crowd....
Anyway, the HUGE wheel trend is REALLY getting out of hand- hell, at this rate, we'll eventually end up w/wide wagon wheels on our cars- I think 951's really need 17's to look their best, OR, 18's, but, the excess weight, etc, of 18's is definately a performacne trade-off in most cases- by the time you get to 19's, it's just gone overboard IMO- especially if you look at how the once large 12" rotors then look puny- rotors are also something that end up falling to the law of diminishing returns- anything above ~13" really doesn't help too much anymore- my X-drilled 12" Turbo S rotors weigh ~15lbs/ea new & 12.7" solid rotors are supposed to weigh ~21lbs- that's a large increase- I don't even plan to add Big Reds unless I can get 2-piece rotors for a reasonable price- the prob still exists there, in that the outermost edge is where the extra weight is the problem & the 2-piece design only removes weight from the innermost section... Anyway, to each their own, but, I guess Sami completly agrees w/19's being too large or he wouldn't have sent his back- they would LOOK good IMO IF you went to at least 14" rotors- think about that- the stock 16" wheels cover 12" rotors, so, to have a 4" dif b/t wheel & rotor, you'd have to have 15" rotors w/19" rims- those things would have to weigh 35lbs/ea UNLESS you could afford ceramics... STILL....not worth it all in my book- I'll leave the 19" - 21"+ wheels to the F&F crowd....
12-12-2003, 12:40 PM
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I'm still confused by this. How can anybody say 18's are heavier without knowing what wheen? I was looking at a some racing 18" wheel that were around 15lbs at SEMA. Granted, they were very expensive and maybe not as durable as street wheels. But if overall performance is being considered, they are lighter than my factory 16" wheels.
What am I missing?
What am I missing?
12-12-2003, 12:50 PM
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Hacker - you arent missing anything. It depends on what you buy as to how heavy it is. The biggest plus to the 18's is the tire sizing. I would love to have a 265/35/17 but no one makes one (at least no popular brand). As far as "big brother" saying it is "bad" who really cares? Guys are running around with 18-21 lbs of boost, MAF kits, etc. You think the factory intended that? PLEASE.
TSBs are written for the thousands of every day drivers out there. If you are here you are probably not one of those. You probably spend a little time under the car and are smart enough to know when it doesnt feel right.
As far as 19's I dont know why you would want that over an 18 aside from looks. Tires are drastically higher and harder to come by (just wait to you ruin one outside of a metro area) and they dont offer anything that is not offered in an 18. At least not anything you will be taking advantage of in a 200 HP car, like a 345 rear or similar.
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TSBs are written for the thousands of every day drivers out there. If you are here you are probably not one of those. You probably spend a little time under the car and are smart enough to know when it doesnt feel right.
As far as 19's I dont know why you would want that over an 18 aside from looks. Tires are drastically higher and harder to come by (just wait to you ruin one outside of a metro area) and they dont offer anything that is not offered in an 18. At least not anything you will be taking advantage of in a 200 HP car, like a 345 rear or similar.
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12-12-2003, 12:59 PM
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Hacker,
In my limited knowledge, I believe the concern isn't weight. From reading about this multiple times, the argument that makes the most sense is that the reduction in sidewall height, and the accompanying reduction in compliance is the aspect that concerns engineers most.
However, if this is the case, I'm not sure how increased caster or stiffening the bushing (ala 968) solves the issue. IMHO, the only benefit of the bushing is to reduce bump steer. Could it be that the engineers are concerned about the loss of control?
The other possibility is that the engineers were concerned about a more important issue, too much Bling. They probably have incredibly precise devices that measure Bling, and have determined that 17's provide the maximum Bling factor for the 944. 18's and above might provide far more Bling than a 944 pilot can handle.
FWIW, I'm planning to run lightweight 17's. The increase diameter is justified by the future addition of Big Reds.
-J
In my limited knowledge, I believe the concern isn't weight. From reading about this multiple times, the argument that makes the most sense is that the reduction in sidewall height, and the accompanying reduction in compliance is the aspect that concerns engineers most.
However, if this is the case, I'm not sure how increased caster or stiffening the bushing (ala 968) solves the issue. IMHO, the only benefit of the bushing is to reduce bump steer. Could it be that the engineers are concerned about the loss of control?
The other possibility is that the engineers were concerned about a more important issue, too much Bling. They probably have incredibly precise devices that measure Bling, and have determined that 17's provide the maximum Bling factor for the 944. 18's and above might provide far more Bling than a 944 pilot can handle.
FWIW, I'm planning to run lightweight 17's. The increase diameter is justified by the future addition of Big Reds.
-J