991 turbo versus 930
#16
It depends on the year and if it is a Euro or USA car. To repeat after 1985 for 1986 and up cars they were marketed as and sold by Porsche as a 911 Turbo. They are 911 Turbos. You wanna refer to the internal code? Go right ahead but the question asked essentially is: "Is my 1989 turbo charged 911 a 930 or a 911 Turbo?"
Answer ---> It is a 911 Turbo.
#17
Either way your not wrong..since the inception these cars were suppose to be called 911 Turbo. That's what they were. Originally the fenders were welded on a Carrera body..oh wait...a 911 body. Today some call a new 911 Turbo a 991 Turbo. 991 is the internal code but it is still widely used. The 911 moniker is still alive and kicking...just seems that using internal codes is very accepting today. When ordering stock parts for your "930"...most items begin with #930..regardless of year...as I stated before, there really is no wrong answer here....
“Meanwhile Porsche actively developed the 911 turbo during the 1974 racing season, and launched the Type 930 – or, in marketing terms, simply the ‘Porsche Turbo’ – in August 1974. Originally it was a product of Weissach, a necessity to gain homologation for the 1976 racing progamme, but the marketing department soon awoke to the potential of this ultra high-performing machine and the original target of 500 cars was passed by the end of the year."
It’s interesting that you will not find “911 Turbo” anywhere on the 1970s Turbos but you will find a “Typ 930” designation on the trunk chassis number plates (image of my ’75 plate below).
As you stated, you can call them anything you want but I still vote for 930 - the way the Weissach racing department intended...
#18
The original poster's question was as to his vehicle. Is his 1989 a 930? Or is his 1989 a 911 Turbo. Yours is a 930. His 1989 is not a 930.
It is a 911 Turbo.
#19
Rennlist Member
They are all 911 TURBO's and 930's(marketed that way in the US but were originally called 911 Turbo)..
Again many called the 911 by it's internal name for years..911,964,997 and 991 but if you go to Porsche's website they are all called 911's...so the OP is not wrong either way...some call a sandwich..a hogie..a sub..or whatever other local name one may want to call it..in the end it's a sandwich..regardless of how it is marketed..no real wrong answer..it all depends who is on the receiving end. I saw some old Porsche internal forms on Tuesday that described the first introduce Porsche 930/911 Turbo as a 911T(large T)...no not 911t(small T)
So to truly answer someone..one should say "I have a 911 Turbo type 930"
911 Turbo (Type 930) (1975–1989)
Main article: Porsche 930
In 1974 Porsche introduced the first production turbocharged 911. Although called simply Porsche 911 Turbo in Europe, it was marketed as Porsche 930 (930 being its internal type number) in North America. The body shape is distinctive thanks to wide wheel-arches to accommodate the wide tires, and a large rear spoiler often known as a "whale tail" on the early cars, and "tea-tray" on the later ones. Starting out with a 3.0 L engine 260 PS (190 kW; 260 hp), these early cars are known for their exhilarating acceleration coupled with challenging handling characteristics and extreme turbo lag. For 1978, capacity rose to 3.3 L 300 PS (220 kW; 300 hp), and an intercooler was added which was placed under the rear spoiler.
Production figures of the basic 930 soon qualified it for FIA Group 4 competition, with the racing version called the Porsche 934 of 1976. Many participated at Le Mans and other races including some epic battles with the BMW 3.0 CSL "Batmobile". The wilder FIA Group 5 version called Porsche 935 evolved from the 2.1 L RSR Turbo of 1974. Fitted with a slope nose, the 500+ PS car was campaigned in 1976 by the factory, winning the world championship title. Private teams went on to win many races, like Le Mans in 1979, and continued to compete successfully with the car well into the 1980s until the FIA and IMSA rules were changed.
Only in 1989, its last year of production, was the 930 equipped with a five-speed gearbox. The 930 was replaced in 1990 with a 964 version featuring the same 3.3 L engine. There have been turbocharged variants of each subsequent generation of 911.
Again many called the 911 by it's internal name for years..911,964,997 and 991 but if you go to Porsche's website they are all called 911's...so the OP is not wrong either way...some call a sandwich..a hogie..a sub..or whatever other local name one may want to call it..in the end it's a sandwich..regardless of how it is marketed..no real wrong answer..it all depends who is on the receiving end. I saw some old Porsche internal forms on Tuesday that described the first introduce Porsche 930/911 Turbo as a 911T(large T)...no not 911t(small T)
So to truly answer someone..one should say "I have a 911 Turbo type 930"
911 Turbo (Type 930) (1975–1989)
Main article: Porsche 930
In 1974 Porsche introduced the first production turbocharged 911. Although called simply Porsche 911 Turbo in Europe, it was marketed as Porsche 930 (930 being its internal type number) in North America. The body shape is distinctive thanks to wide wheel-arches to accommodate the wide tires, and a large rear spoiler often known as a "whale tail" on the early cars, and "tea-tray" on the later ones. Starting out with a 3.0 L engine 260 PS (190 kW; 260 hp), these early cars are known for their exhilarating acceleration coupled with challenging handling characteristics and extreme turbo lag. For 1978, capacity rose to 3.3 L 300 PS (220 kW; 300 hp), and an intercooler was added which was placed under the rear spoiler.
Production figures of the basic 930 soon qualified it for FIA Group 4 competition, with the racing version called the Porsche 934 of 1976. Many participated at Le Mans and other races including some epic battles with the BMW 3.0 CSL "Batmobile". The wilder FIA Group 5 version called Porsche 935 evolved from the 2.1 L RSR Turbo of 1974. Fitted with a slope nose, the 500+ PS car was campaigned in 1976 by the factory, winning the world championship title. Private teams went on to win many races, like Le Mans in 1979, and continued to compete successfully with the car well into the 1980s until the FIA and IMSA rules were changed.
Only in 1989, its last year of production, was the 930 equipped with a five-speed gearbox. The 930 was replaced in 1990 with a 964 version featuring the same 3.3 L engine. There have been turbocharged variants of each subsequent generation of 911.
Last edited by speednme; 07-03-2014 at 06:07 AM.
#20
They are all 911 TURBO's and 930's(marketed that way in the US but were originally called 911 Turbo)..
Again many called the 911 by it's internal name for years..911,964,997 and 991 but if you go to Porsche's website they are all called 911's...so the OP is not wrong either way...some call a sandwich..a hogie..a sub..or whatever other local name one may want to call it..in the end it's a sandwich..regardless of how it is marketed..no real wrong answer..it all depends who is on the receiving end. I saw some old Porsche internal forms on Tuesday that described the first introduce Porsche 930/911 Turbo as a 911T(large T)...no not 911t(small T)
So to truly answer someone..one should say "I have a 911 Turbo type 930"
Again many called the 911 by it's internal name for years..911,964,997 and 991 but if you go to Porsche's website they are all called 911's...so the OP is not wrong either way...some call a sandwich..a hogie..a sub..or whatever other local name one may want to call it..in the end it's a sandwich..regardless of how it is marketed..no real wrong answer..it all depends who is on the receiving end. I saw some old Porsche internal forms on Tuesday that described the first introduce Porsche 930/911 Turbo as a 911T(large T)...no not 911t(small T)
So to truly answer someone..one should say "I have a 911 Turbo type 930"
I believe 930 or 930 Turbo better represents the car from 1975-1989 and doesn’t confuse the issue with the later 911 Turbos including the new ones on the market today.
#22
It’s all good…after all; we’re on the Rennlist 911 Turbo (930) forum.
The naming convention does confuse insurance companies. My company would not recognize “930” so I told them mine were 1975 and 1979 911 Turbos and it worked.
The naming convention does confuse insurance companies. My company would not recognize “930” so I told them mine were 1975 and 1979 911 Turbos and it worked.
#23
Three Wheelin'
Look at NADA online. They have both 911 turbo and 930 turbo for some years and there is a price difference.
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#26
Rennlist Member
This is a link to the way Porsche describes THEIR car http://press.porsche.com/news/release.php?id=762
It was always a 911 Turbo...the deck lid says Turbo..the type is 930..as all 911 Turbo's from that era were called. Regardless of how it was marketed in the states it was still called by the factory a "911 Turbo" just like the 964 Turbo...it was called a 911 Turbo..type 964.
I'm sure I can find articles that list both, but what better proof then the factory website.
It was always a 911 Turbo...the deck lid says Turbo..the type is 930..as all 911 Turbo's from that era were called. Regardless of how it was marketed in the states it was still called by the factory a "911 Turbo" just like the 964 Turbo...it was called a 911 Turbo..type 964.
I'm sure I can find articles that list both, but what better proof then the factory website.
#27
Rennlist Member
The price difference only make sense today. A few years ago early turbos were not so coveted and early turbos were actually cheaper than your later turbos. Regardless of price difference, the cars are still 911 Turbos. For those with early cars, maybe they can post a pic of their State registration where the State recognizes the car as a Porsche 930 and not a 911 Turbo.
#28
#30
You are in complete agreement with what I have been saying. It is a 1979 and is a 930.
To those who wish to prove me wrong with an inspection sticker from a 1986 to 1989 (automan9's question/original post). Go at it.
Let's see a sticker from a 1986-1989 refuting my statements that they are 911 Turbos.
To those who wish to prove me wrong with an inspection sticker from a 1986 to 1989 (automan9's question/original post). Go at it.
Let's see a sticker from a 1986-1989 refuting my statements that they are 911 Turbos.