cityguy

We are not talking parts or internal codes but the name of the car---> 930 or 911 Turbo.

It depends on the year and if it is a Euro or USA car. To repeat after 1985 for 1986 and up cars they were marketed as and sold by Porsche as a 911 Turbo. They are 911 Turbos. You wanna refer to the internal code? Go right ahead but the question asked essentially is: "Is my 1989 turbo charged 911 a 930 or a 911 Turbo?"

Answer ---> It is a 911 Turbo.

idart930

Actually, Porsche’s (Weissach) original intent was to designate the road cars as “Type 930s” to homologate the 93*4* (Group 4) and 93*5* (Group 5) whereas “Porsche Turbo” (vs. “911 Turbo”) was the marketing department term for the 1975 3-liter Turbo. The book: “Porsche, Double World Champions 1900-1977 (Richard von Frankenberg with Michael Cotton)”, has an excellent passage on the naming convention:

“Meanwhile Porsche actively developed the 911 turbo during the 1974 racing season, and launched the Type 930 – or, in marketing terms, simply the ‘Porsche Turbo’ – in August 1974. Originally it was a product of Weissach, a necessity to gain homologation for the 1976 racing progamme, but the marketing department soon awoke to the potential of this ultra high-performing machine and the original target of 500 cars was passed by the end of the year."

It’s interesting that you will not find “911 Turbo” anywhere on the 1970s Turbos but you will find a “Typ 930” designation on the trunk chassis number plates (image of my ’75 plate below).

As you stated, you can call them anything you want but I still vote for 930 - the way the Weissach racing department intended...

cityguy

Your vote for yours is duly noted as correct.

The original poster's question was as to his vehicle. Is his 1989 a 930? Or is his 1989 a 911 Turbo. Yours is a 930. His 1989 is not a 930.

It is a 911 Turbo.

speednme

They are all 911 TURBO's and 930's(marketed that way in the US but were originally called 911 Turbo)..

Again many called the 911 by it's internal name for years..911,964,997 and 991 but if you go to Porsche's website they are all called 911's...so the OP is not wrong either way...some call a sandwich..a hogie..a sub..or whatever other local name one may want to call it..in the end it's a sandwich..regardless of how it is marketed..no real wrong answer..it all depends who is on the receiving end. I saw some old Porsche internal forms on Tuesday that described the first introduce Porsche 930/911 Turbo as a 911T(large T)...no not 911t(small T)

So to truly answer someone..one should say "I have a 911 Turbo type 930"

911 Turbo (Type 930) (1975–1989)

Main article: Porsche 930






In 1974 Porsche introduced the first production turbocharged 911. Although called simply Porsche 911 Turbo in Europe, it was marketed as Porsche 930 (930 being its internal type number) in North America. The body shape is distinctive thanks to wide wheel-arches to accommodate the wide tires, and a large rear spoiler often known as a "whale tail" on the early cars, and "tea-tray" on the later ones. Starting out with a 3.0 L engine 260 PS (190 kW; 260 hp), these early cars are known for their exhilarating acceleration coupled with challenging handling characteristics and extreme turbo lag. For 1978, capacity rose to 3.3 L 300 PS (220 kW; 300 hp), and an intercooler was added which was placed under the rear spoiler.

Production figures of the basic 930 soon qualified it for FIA Group 4 competition, with the racing version called the Porsche 934 of 1976. Many participated at Le Mans and other races including some epic battles with the BMW 3.0 CSL "Batmobile". The wilder FIA Group 5 version called Porsche 935 evolved from the 2.1 L RSR Turbo of 1974. Fitted with a slope nose, the 500+ PS car was campaigned in 1976 by the factory, winning the world championship title. Private teams went on to win many races, like Le Mans in 1979, and continued to compete successfully with the car well into the 1980s until the FIA and IMSA rules were changed.

Only in 1989, its last year of production, was the 930 equipped with a five-speed gearbox. The 930 was replaced in 1990 with a 964 version featuring the same 3.3 L engine. There have been turbocharged variants of each subsequent generation of 911.

idart930

I’m not sure where your article came from but I don’t believe you would find any vintage Porsche factory brochures, manuals, or magazine articles that actually called the 930 the “911 Turbo” until the 1980s. The Porsche marketing department changed the name from “Turbo” to “911 Turbo” in 1980 to eliminate any confusion of the model with the introduction of the 924 Turbo. Additionally, your article states that it was marketed as Porsche 930 in North America but this is only true for 1978 and 1979 but when it was reintroduced in the U.S. in 1986, PCNA used “911 Turbo” and not “930”.

I believe 930 or 930 Turbo better represents the car from 1975-1989 and doesn’t confuse the issue with the later 911 Turbos including the new ones on the market today.

cityguy

Thank you.

Automan9 - here ya go. (again)

idart930

It’s all good…after all; we’re on the Rennlist 911 Turbo (930) forum.

The naming convention does confuse insurance companies. My company would not recognize “930” so I told them mine were 1975 and 1979 911 Turbos and it worked.

WPOZZZ

Look at NADA online. They have both 911 turbo and 930 turbo for some years and there is a price difference.

cityguy

Thanks. More confirmation of the "911 Turbo" name for Automan9.

cityguy

Thank you and agreed, as they actually were called '930' early on.

speednme

This is a link to the way Porsche describes THEIR car http://press.porsche.com/news/release.php?id=762

It was always a 911 Turbo...the deck lid says Turbo..the type is 930..as all 911 Turbo's from that era were called. Regardless of how it was marketed in the states it was still called by the factory a "911 Turbo" just like the 964 Turbo...it was called a 911 Turbo..type 964.

I'm sure I can find articles that list both, but what better proof then the factory website.

speednme

The price difference only make sense today. A few years ago early turbos were not so coveted and early turbos were actually cheaper than your later turbos. Regardless of price difference, the cars are still 911 Turbos. For those with early cars, maybe they can post a pic of their State registration where the State recognizes the car as a Porsche 930 and not a 911 Turbo.

cityguy

Yesssir.

Porsche 930

Connecticut Three of a Kind:

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cityguy

You are in complete agreement with what I have been saying. It is a 1979 and is a 930.

To those who wish to prove me wrong with an inspection sticker from a 1986 to 1989 (automan9's question/original post). Go at it.

Let's see a sticker from a 1986-1989 refuting my statements that they are 911 Turbos.