bcgreen

If it makes a difference but that's 0.4%. I am a professional wrencher so I can't address HC and CO numbers. These are not absolute numbers, but from a local smog station mechanic/owner.
Maybe one day they will pick up to '76 cars. I might be lucky to live long enough.

Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems

[quote=bcgreen;10084703]There is NO way that engine will get remotely close to those values with S-cams and MFI. Even a T-cammed version with MFI cannot hit those numbers.

I'd recommend either getting a smog waiver of some kind or registering the car somewhere where smog testing is not required as those are really your only practical options.

Once could install a totally different (smog-compliant) engine, however that's damned expensive. I've seen that done before and its a measure of last resort.

race911

Typo on my part. .4% is probably at the margin of margins for a CIS engine, with the air pump actually on and working. But is that .4% @ 2500 loaded? But it's all moot, because of Steve's comment below..........

Not going to be a waiver of any kind in CA. They want old cars off the road. Since anything '75-newer is supposed to have a catalytic converter, save a few of those oddball Euro and Asian makers that tried with thermal reactors, BAR pretty much wants you to replace the cat. Oh, and you're low income? Here's some bucks to get that done one time. After that? Scrap heap.

As I alluded to above, the possibility of a "temporary" CIS engine to get a BAR sticker on the car might be the overall cheapest way to go about it. A '78-9 3.0 with properly functioning EGR, cat, and air pump would plug right in with only a fuel pump and ignition box swap out.

Bill Verburg

i understand that, as a mentioned in your other thread for '76 there were 2 different RoW Carrera engines, the 2.7MFI and the 3.0 cis

to bring either into the US legally the car was impounded until all the DoT changes were done and then most(mine for sure) were given a 1 time per person EPA waiver. We were told to keep both of those documents to prevent future registration issues.

I am unfamiliar w/ Ca. regs but in NH and NY where I have had my car registered I only had to show the docs at the first reg. in NH, NY just took NH docs and converted them to theirs, I was told to expect a compliance inspection by NY but that hasn't happened in the 34yrs that the car has been registered in NY.

According to what I am hearing here Ca. does not allow any 49 state car to be registered, Is that right? if so why does anyone put up w/ that sort of nonsense, How do people that relo from elsewhere do it?

bcgreen

Good question

race911

Am I missing something here, and we are NOT talking about an 911/83 2.7 MFI (aka '73 RS) engined car? Further, this car is coming from Europe, and to date has never been run through DOT/EPA (let alone CA BAR) importation?

If not, nearly all of my comments are moot.

Finally, Bill.........why do we "put up with it"? It's CA government. (Now a Democrat supermajority, by the way.) That's probably all you need to know.

Simply put, the monster of the CA Air Resources Board was spawned in 1967 (by none other than then-Governor, future-President Reagan). As with all things well-intentioned, the monster has gobbled up anything in its path. Honestly, I'm surprised the emissions exemption for up-to-'75 vehicles passed at all, and is still in effect.

And to the point of 49 state cars, I'm not sure it's an issue anymore with new cars, as they should all be 50 state models. But in the Olden Days, a car had to have 7500 miles on it and be registered to the same owner if it were brought in ~1 year old. Keep people from going to OR, NV, AZ to get that extra 10HP model........ New purchases of truly used cars merely had to have as-delivered emissions equipment, and pass the 49 state tailpipe standard.

bcgreen

[QUOTE=race911;10086231]Am I missing something here, and we are NOT talking about an 911/83 2.7 MFI (aka '73 RS) engined car? Further, this car is coming from Europe, and to date has never been run through DOT/EPA (let alone CA BAR) importation?

If not, nearly all of my comments are moot.

This part, DOT/EPA, I am exempt. Yes, I originally posted about the 911/83 2.7 MFI vehicle.

Bill Verburg

[quote=bcgreen;10086392]Has the car been registered in any other state?

It appears that you do not have the EPA and DoT docs in hand

bcgreen

[quote=Bill Verburg;10086522]Talked to DMV and look at the docs on line from the DMV and all docs say DOT and EPA exempt.
European vehicle

Bill Verburg

[quote=bcgreen;10086673]I'll bet when the verbiage is parsed down to it's essence it's compliant and not exempt

As I mentioned, I went through this process, the Port of entry was a few miles from my house but the car immediately went to impound then a bonded trucker had to transport it to Boston for the compliance work where I eventually picked it up.

The first US registration was in NH where the car was assigned a US VIN which is different from the chassis VIN and indicative of private importation and compliance, race cars used to receive a different VIN that meant private importation and non compliance which were never to be registered for street use

There were EPA exemptions but no DoT exemptions, all the work done was changing glass, door guard beams and various lighting changes. I received all the oe exterior lighting equipment in a box, as soon as I got home the oe head and taillights were all replaced, at the first NY inspection there was a question about the dash lighting but it was eventually ruled as legit.

Ed Hughes

EPA and Calif smog are two different things.

Steve Weiner-Rennsport Systems

Bill,

I think this varies by state, according to local smog compliance laws.

We have the same issues here in OR, albeit confined to the largest metropolitan areas that EPA designated with unclean air.

Regardless of EPA regulations and/or approvals, if a ('75or newer) car cannot pass smog here in OR, it cannot be registered in several counties.

Brian 96C2

Steve has mentioned registration in another State as a possible solution to the emissions problem. I know a Montana LLC can be used for registration for various reasons. I wonder if this would work for importing a '76 Carrera 2.7 for someone living in CA?

Ed Hughes

Some of the car sellers in SoCal push the Montana thing for registering tough to register/smog cars sold here. Not sure how tough it is....

bcgreen

Yes thanks, that is part of the warm up equipment for cold climates.