911 / 930 / 964 home build, is it worth it?
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Can anyone provide information on building one of these? Thank you
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Sorry; I don't understand your question.
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I'm not interested in a turbo or super fast older car, or anything with incredibly high value. I already own a newer Porsche and want to engage in the old, mechanical nature of the classics. I would even consider a 912. I'm wondering if there is anyone out there that has built something from parts they have gathered, if it was more cost effective than purchasing a "nice condition" car, and/ or if the building of it was worth it, or if it was more headache than it was worth. The idea of creating and customizing appeals to me. A basic 911 would be awesome.
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Show us some writing skills.
Apologies to blackharp and everyone else on this thread. Uncalled for on my part.
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I'm not sure you're going to get too many responses with an attitude like that !
Mark and Raspritz are longtime stand up members and always have good input as to someone asking for guidance
and help regarding their cars, perhaps you should stick with Japanese ricers where people probably use a similar language ...
Just sayin ... tone it down a little !
As for your question, it all depends on how much money you want to invest in a home build. Engine rebuilds are rather expensive and if you have
some bodywork skills , that helps a lot.I'm guessing building a 911 is cheaper than building a 930 Turbo or a 964 because there were more to pick parts from.
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Mark and Raspritz are longtime stand up members and always have good input as to someone asking for guidance
and help regarding their cars, perhaps you should stick with Japanese ricers where people probably use a similar language ...
Just sayin ... tone it down a little !
As for your question, it all depends on how much money you want to invest in a home build. Engine rebuilds are rather expensive and if you have
some bodywork skills , that helps a lot.I'm guessing building a 911 is cheaper than building a 930 Turbo or a 964 because there were more to pick parts from.
Cheers
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I'm not sure you're going to get too many responses with an attitude like that !
Mark and Raspritz are longtime stand up members and always have good input as to someone asking for guidance
and help regarding their cars, perhaps you should stick with Japanese ricers where people probably use a similar language ...
Just sayin ... tone it down a little !
As for your question, it all depends on how much money you want to invest in a home build. Engine rebuilds are rather expensive and if you have
some bodywork skills , that helps a lot.I'm guessing building a 911 is cheaper than building a 930 Turbo or a 964 because there were more to pick parts from.
Cheers
Phil
Mark and Raspritz are longtime stand up members and always have good input as to someone asking for guidance
and help regarding their cars, perhaps you should stick with Japanese ricers where people probably use a similar language ...
Just sayin ... tone it down a little !
As for your question, it all depends on how much money you want to invest in a home build. Engine rebuilds are rather expensive and if you have
some bodywork skills , that helps a lot.I'm guessing building a 911 is cheaper than building a 930 Turbo or a 964 because there were more to pick parts from.
Cheers
Phil
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Nope ... my daily driver is a Subaru , i'm allowed to say what i want about Japanese cars !
Chill out man , you lucky guys in Austin just had an entertaining Nascar race at COTA with 25 restarts ... lol
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Chill out man , you lucky guys in Austin just had an entertaining Nascar race at COTA with 25 restarts ... lol
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I don't follow nascar, sorry.
Was it fun to build a simple 911, or were the challenges horrific?
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My 911 is no longer a simple 911 ... over the years it made it into "my"car with larger Sanders hollow torsion bars , 996TT brakes with a Fabcar dual master and Tilton bias adjuster, Tarret Through body front sway bar
a 95 3.6 with Fabspeed headers and a SW chip, and i can go on ,and on ...
No the challenges are not horrific , just expensive.Asides from an engine rebuild they're pretty straightforward to work on and it's a lot of fun to see the results afterwards.
Like most of the people on this forum will tell you , start with the best car you can afford and take it from there !
I'm trying to be nice here, so knock off the f*****g attitude
If you don't know what Nascar is , i feel sorry for you ...
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a 95 3.6 with Fabspeed headers and a SW chip, and i can go on ,and on ...
No the challenges are not horrific , just expensive.Asides from an engine rebuild they're pretty straightforward to work on and it's a lot of fun to see the results afterwards.
Like most of the people on this forum will tell you , start with the best car you can afford and take it from there !
I'm trying to be nice here, so knock off the f*****g attitude
If you don't know what Nascar is , i feel sorry for you ...
Cheers
Phil
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I think there's an "education process" that you need to experience in order to even begin to understand what is involved with an air-cooled 911. Tossing out a brief post in this forum is not going to get you where you need to be.
I would suggest that you reach out to your local PCA chapter and identify some members who own these cars; seek them out; and speak with them directly. Look at their cars. Begin to gather the elemental facts in order to piece together an initial understanding of these cars.
Going into this without researching it in some detail will put you in the deep end of the ($$$ expense) pool very quickly.
I would suggest that you reach out to your local PCA chapter and identify some members who own these cars; seek them out; and speak with them directly. Look at their cars. Begin to gather the elemental facts in order to piece together an initial understanding of these cars.
Going into this without researching it in some detail will put you in the deep end of the ($$$ expense) pool very quickly.
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Let's calm things down, guys.
I have built a 1966 Porsche 911 2.0 race engine from parts; it cost me almost $30,000 in parts alone, and took about a year, but there is no other way to get a SWB Porsche 911 2.0 race engine. Today I purchased a good used intermediate shaft gear for that engine. That one part cost $650. To build a complete 911 from parts would require, I don't know, 500 such purchases, give or take, some costing less, some costing more. 500 x 650 = 325,000, plus a lot of specialized tools, detailed knowledge, and time. There are not many 911s that sell for $325,000. Does that answer your question (which I still am not sure I understand)?
I'm wondering if there is anyone out there that has built something from parts they have gathered, if it was more cost effective than purchasing a "nice condition" car, and/ or if the building of it was worth it, or if it was more headache than it was worth. The idea of creating and customizing appeals to me. A basic 911 would be awesome.
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Let's calm things down, guys.
I have built a 1966 Porsche 911 2.0 race engine from parts; it cost me almost $30,000 in parts alone, and took about a year, but there is no other way to get a SWB Porsche 911 2.0 race engine. Today I purchased a good used intermediate shaft gear for that engine. That one part cost $650. To build a complete 911 from parts would require, I don't know, 500 such purchases, give or take, some costing less, some costing more. 500 x 650 = 325,000, plus a lot of specialized tools, detailed knowledge, and time. There are not many 911s that sell for $325,000. Does that answer your question (which I still am not sure I understand)?
I have built a 1966 Porsche 911 2.0 race engine from parts; it cost me almost $30,000 in parts alone, and took about a year, but there is no other way to get a SWB Porsche 911 2.0 race engine. Today I purchased a good used intermediate shaft gear for that engine. That one part cost $650. To build a complete 911 from parts would require, I don't know, 500 such purchases, give or take, some costing less, some costing more. 500 x 650 = 325,000, plus a lot of specialized tools, detailed knowledge, and time. There are not many 911s that sell for $325,000. Does that answer your question (which I still am not sure I understand)?
OP if you want to see a "home build" you can click my Tang link. Although the engine was built by my shop.
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To the OP, there is some sound advice in here. Even though they are old, nothing on an air cooled Porsche is cheap. Certain vehicles are easily and relatively inexpensive
to customize, Jeeps, Harley's and maybe older muscle cars/hot rods. Join your local PCA chapter, get to know the different generations to see which one you like best.
Ease into it, people who love these cars like to talk about them, there is a lot of knowledge to be gained out there before you buy anything.
to customize, Jeeps, Harley's and maybe older muscle cars/hot rods. Join your local PCA chapter, get to know the different generations to see which one you like best.
Ease into it, people who love these cars like to talk about them, there is a lot of knowledge to be gained out there before you buy anything.
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They are $. Casework 4k, crankshaft 3k, rockers 2.5k, pistons/cyls I don't remember, 5k?, rods 2k and I got a deal, bearings 1k+, mis bits 5k+, int shaft exactly, cams 2k, induction 15k+, etc etc etc....
OP if you want to see a "home build" you can click my Tang link. Although the engine was built by my shop.
OP if you want to see a "home build" you can click my Tang link. Although the engine was built by my shop.
If I had a complete engine, is it possible to get away with a rebuild for less than 10k on a 70s 911?