creaturecat

I look under my 85 carrerra only to see that mr "professional " tire guy has partialy crushed my oil lines - I have driven approx 1500 "spirited" miles with the car before noticing - never a heating problem even in stop and go commuting. anyone have any ideas on how crushed is too crushed? any thoughts on repair?

Bill Gregory

Too crushed is when the oil temps rise in spirited driving in warm weather. In any event, start saving for a replacement, whether new original, cleaned used, Aeroquip/Earl's type, elephant racing finned lines, or other...none of them are inexpensive.

3.2SLANTNOSE

Go back to the tire guy with an estimate for the repairs, most larger shops have ins for this type of thing. I never let mine out of my sight when it is getting any lifting service, just for that reason, easier to stop it before it happens, than to fix it after they screw it up!

creaturecat

the larger line is damaged more than the other - anyone know if they are avail separate- where would i look for clean used? any of the non oem lines a worthwhile upgrade - thanks for the response

DGaunt

Don't know if they are available seperately, but Elephant.com lines are the cadillac in IMHO

Toby Pennycuff

Assuming that these the hard lines that run under the passenger side of the car up to the right front fenderwell, you can buy them from Performance Products or MADirect (Tweeks). I bought a set from Einmalig in California when I upgraded my 74 911 and added the external cooler. If I recall, the lines were around $200.

Toby

Bill Gregory

That's a great deal. As I recall, factory brass lines are around $1000-$1200 new and $300-$500 used, elephant's finned lines are $650, and Earl's/Aeroquip -16an line runs $10-$13 per foot for the hose, plus fittings.

creaturecat

thanks for the response it seems that rhe lines are $ 341 from pelican and $ 70 from einmalig - this seems to be a ridiculous difference - anyone have any thoughts on the supposed quality tradeoff

r911

Don't spend excess time on the parts prices -- go to a good mech. and ask for the total price (parts + labor) & get a written est. Take that est with you and talk to the manager of the shop that did the damage. First, ask if they will pay to repair the damage. Next, pull out the est. & see if they change their mind.

If they don't thn it's time to conact the Consumer Protection ofice (usually in your state Atty. General's office). If that doesn't work, go to small claims court -- they don't want to lose the time to sit in court. Tho, maybe you don't either. The benefit is only partly the replacement. You benefit the shop by letting them know they have at least one careless employee. If they don't pay, the public benefits by finding out about them. But defintiely first let the shop have a shot at correcting the situation -- and don't scream at them - anyone can make a mistake.

creaturecat

the est. takes place on monday. thanks for the advice.

agentpennypacker

I'd replace them regardless.

"Never mess with the blood of the 911" - I don't know how crushed they are but that could ultimately cost you the engine...

JES1680

Ouch, I feel your pain. Watched the Kid at Tires Plus scrape the hell out of the bottom of my SC trying to get it on the lift. Luckily it only scraped the undercoating and missed the oil lines. He took 3 runs at it before I was able to stop him and get them to use a floor jack and showed them how to properly support the car. No damage done and they cut me a good deal on the change. I knew I should have pulled the wheels and brought everything over in my truck. Next timeI will!

creaturecat

this particular damage was done between the time i got the ppi done on the car and the time i picked it up, the dealer took it next door to a well respected tire guy who let someone else do the work. i recall driving by for a look and seeing the jack in exactly the wrong spot, unfortunately i was unaware of the consequences at that point in time

Elephant Chuck

I'm not sure what Einmalig is quoting for $70, but I am very confident that it is not the hard lines that run along the rocker panel. The pelican price is per-line, so a pair is running $682. That is actually a very competitive price for new factory lines.

We wanted the Elephant Racing finned oil lines to be a compelling value, so we set the price at $650 for the pair - less than typical street price for the factory parts. Plus you get the extra cooling benefits and oil-change purge valve to boot. Sales pitch over.

Pelican carries our finned lines too.

r911

First, no affiliation & have not tried this product. I am a scientst who has spent many years studying heat transfer.
There are a number of happy people with these finned lines. I don't know if they have measured, made subjective comparisons, or just a placebo effect. Changing to new factory lines might also increase heat exchange - I have not seen any comparisons of the finned lines with new stock lines. The long length of the lines suggests they may be able to
The fins are much shorter than what one normally sees in heat exchange situations (perhaps for clearance?). One could calculate an expected value for the increase in heat loss using a std. text such as engineering Heat Transfer by Karlekar and Desmond, or Krieths's (more commonly used) text of the same title. Elephant Racing's (Chuck M's) products generally look to be well thought out.

Bottom line:
If I were going to replace my lines anyway, I would pick those finned lines.