Jay Gratton

Price seems a little high to me. As long as the car is taken care of then the miles should not matter really. Once you get over $30K you are moving into a very nice C2 or 993 if you look hard. Low to mid $20's is about the is probably how that car should be priced. However, this is only just my opinion. Best wishes - Jay Gratton

KC911

Are you absolutely sure about this? I've always been led to believe what Jeremy has stated - that having a rear spoiler without the front was a "no-no", but having the front without having the rear was OK. I think I remember someone else posting that the factory even shipped a few cars this way. My coupe has neither, so what do I know though...

Keith

86NOH2O

My 86' came from the factory with only the chin spoiler. As far as the initial point of this thread, "is an 88' coupe worth 30K.....

See the poll posted by jmarenas. 88' on Ebay right now up to 31K. Some people love the low milers and will pay for it. It's something that people who won't pay more than 15K for a Carrera will never understand. Is it worth it? Try to find another "like" low mile model for less.

g-50cab

And apparently it is to the person bidding $31K

Jay H

$31k and still 7 days to go... Reserve not met yet either...

For that price, all you can do is just bag that car and trailer it to the concours once in awhile... Can't drive it unless you want to loose a bunch of money. But, you can never get low miles and originallity back...

g-50cab

Yeah, that poor car - I wish I had the money to buy it, pick it up in a thundering rainstorm and do donuts in the parking lot just to see the look on the owners face... I guess I'm a little twisted now that I think about it

Speedraser

Keith,

Yes, I'm sure. Read Paul Frere's 911 Story. It has an in-depth chapter on aerodynamics. Although I don't have the book handy, and don't recall the specific aerodynamic lift numbers, I can get fairly close:

The '74 - '89 911 without spoilers generates about 375 lbs of lift at 143 mph. With the front and rear spoilers, the total lift is cut to just 38 lbs (I think it's 38, but it's definitely 30-something). While I do not recall the specific balance of lift front-to-rear, it's fairly close to 50-50. So, with just the front lip and no rear tail, at 143 mph you'll have somewhere in the neighborhood of 150 lbs of rear aero lift -- greatly lightening the rear of the car -- and only approx. 20 of lift at the nose. You have a car that is well-planted at the front but very light in the rear -- exactly what you don't want, especially with the engine in the tail. It's the perfect recipe for major high-speed oversteer, and will exacerbate the 911's handling "characteristics."

If one has a tail with no front lip, the opposite problem exists; high-speed understeer, since the tail is stuck to the road, but the nose gets light.

Although those lift figures are at very high speed, the principle holds at lower speeds. Most people say the spoilers make themselves felt at around 70 mph, and I'd agree with this.

I've also read from many extremely reputable sources that the factory never shipped a car with just one spoiler, for the above reasons. However, I have read an occasional post from an owner saying his car was delivered new with just one (such as 86NOH20) -- perhaps these are cases where the dealer (rather than the factory) installed the spoiler before delivery? 86NOH20, are you certain that your car's single spoiler was factory-installed, not dealer-installed?

AHEDAU

Wouldn't the factory option codes be able to be decoded to confirm this?
They are on the decal on the underside of the hood aren't they?

KC911

Hi Todd, Well, I seem to learn something new all the time around here...thanks for the info! I'm sure I'm not the only one with my misconception, as I've seen that stated on numerous occasions, so thanks for clarifying and setting the record straight.

Speedraser

Ahedau -- Good question...

KC -- You're welcome.