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Old 03-30-2024, 07:09 PM
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Does anyone know the wheel weights for the OEM wheels? I know the aluminum ones are forged, so I would assume they are lighter than the standard 718 GT4/Spyder wheels. And then the mag wheels even lighter still. But I can't seem to find the weight listed anywhere.
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Originally Posted by coldfire
Does anyone know the wheel weights for the OEM wheels? I know the aluminum ones are forged, so I would assume they are lighter than the standard 718 GT4/Spyder wheels. And then the mag wheels even lighter still. But I can't seem to find the weight listed anywhere.
I do not have the weights for the mag wheels. But for the aluminum ones (assuming GT4 RS and Spyder RS wheels produced by SAI are the same):

Front: 20x8.5 et 61
Rear: 20.11 et 50

Front: 20.5 lbs
Rear: 23.75 lbs
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Old 03-30-2024, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by KelvinC
I do not have the weights for the mag wheels. But for the aluminum ones (assuming GT4 RS and Spyder RS wheels produced by SAI are the same):

Front: 20x8.5 et 61
Rear: 20.11 et 50

Front: 20.5 lbs
Rear: 23.75 lbs
Thanks. Seems that it would be hard to get significant weight savings with aftermarket forged aluminum vs. the OEM aluminum. Magnesium or other lightweight material would be needed.
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Old 03-30-2024, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by coldfire
Thanks. Seems that it would be hard to get significant weight savings with aftermarket forged aluminum vs. the OEM aluminum. Magnesium or other lightweight material would be needed.
Apex VS-5RS-CL, front is 1/2" larger at 20x9 ET 52, rear is OEM sized at 20x11 ET 50

Front 19.9 lbs
Rear 21.8 lbs

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Old 03-30-2024, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by coldfire
Thanks. Seems that it would be hard to get significant weight savings with aftermarket forged aluminum vs. the OEM aluminum. Magnesium or other lightweight material would be needed.
OEM mag wheels save 21 lbs.

Decided if going mag, just go aftermarket. More design and color choices. Not quite as expensive as OEM and you get to keep the base forged al wheels.

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Originally Posted by Westcoast
Apex VS-5RS-CL, front is 1/2" larger at 20x9, rear is OEM sized at 20x11

Front 19.9 lbs
Rear 21.8 lbs
Mine weighed a bit more.

20x9 and 52
20x11 and 50
Brushed Clear GT4rs
Rears: 22.38lbs and 22.16lbs
Fronts: 20.18lbs and 20.28lbs

https://rennlist.com/forums/718-gts-...l#post19149810
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Originally Posted by Ksdaoski
Mine weighed a bit more.

20x9 and 52
20x11 and 50
Brushed Clear GT4rs
Rears: 22.38lbs and 22.16lbs
Fronts: 20.18lbs and 20.28lbs

https://rennlist.com/forums/718-gts-...l#post19149810
Interesting that there is a variance between wheels like that, and FWIW that was the spec from the Apex website and they did have "~" ahead of the weights, still very close to what they said.
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Originally Posted by Westcoast
Interesting that there is a variance between wheels like that, and FWIW that was the spec from the Apex website and they did have "~" ahead of the weights, still very close to what they said.
Probably because one is 5-lug and the other CL? Dunno, just guessing…
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Old 03-30-2024, 08:03 PM
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Important to keep in mind with the wheel weights that the GT4RS and Spyder RS wheels are lighter than the regular wheels. The 4RS/SRS aluminum wheels weigh 20.46 fronts and 23.70 in the rears. This is a total of 88.3 pounds which is 10lbs lighter than the GT4/Spyder wheels which weigh a total of 98.2 pounds.

So before spending money out of pocket it is important to remember that 4RS/SRS wheels are actually quite light for an OEM wheel.
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Old 03-30-2024, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by alcc
I don't doubt that. I am sure Porsche did not spend the same amount of time to dial in the 4RS as they did the GT3/3RS.

Did you try a Manthey car?
sadly no ... but I did (try and follow) a 991.2 GT3RS MR and a 992 GT3 in the 4RS ... I have not worked so hard in a long time.

I suspect that Porsche spend a lot of time on GT suspension, but there are limits to what technology can do, when cost is also an issue.

no surprise that Manthey went to a 4 way KW in their 4RS kit.


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Old 03-30-2024, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Cable
FYI, the OEM suspension *are* (already a) coilover design.

there are a few variables you can play with:
- spring rates
- shock valving (to "match" the chosen spring rate)
- low speed compression
- high speed compression
- low speed rebound
- high speed rebound

both PASM and DSC dynamically adjust the compression and rebound.

with any (adjustable) suspension technology (DSC or not) the practitioner must be experienced in chosing the appropriate springs and damping, and then be able to
further tune that setup via the adjustment of the high/low compression & rebound ...

this is not plug and play and requires a skillset only acquired either on the track or at a suspension/vehicle manufacturer...

generally low speed is for tuning in corners, high speed is for tuning "bumps"...
Thx for pointing that out. Yes I mean Motorsport Coilovers like MCS, KW or JRZ... preferably professionally installed. With a little effort, trial and error and research you can dial them in yourself quite easily.... DSC is at best a band aide..im also not surprised that the $RS is having issues because nothing was really fixed on the Cayman....
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Originally Posted by Westcoast
Interesting that there is a variance between wheels like that, and FWIW that was the spec from the Apex website and they did have "~" ahead of the weights, still very close to what they said.
Originally Posted by TXshaggy
Probably because one is 5-lug and the other CL? Dunno, just guessing…
By variance I was thinking about the weight differences between the wheels of the same type, not CL versus 5-lug. I would have to dig up pictures but I didn't see much difference when I measured them.

Originally Posted by Drifting
Important to keep in mind with the wheel weights that the GT4RS and Spyder RS wheels are lighter than the regular wheels. The 4RS/SRS aluminum wheels weigh 20.46 fronts and 23.70 in the rears. This is a total of 88.3 pounds which is 10lbs lighter than the GT4/Spyder wheels which weigh a total of 98.2 pounds.

So before spending money out of pocket it is important to remember that 4RS/SRS wheels are actually quite light for an OEM wheel.
I put this together in 2020 for my Spyder when I was buying wheels and updated it when I was looking at the Spyder RS.


There is no FF10 fitment in CL for the 4RS/SRS these are 5-lug.

I would agree with @Drifting to say that you would have to go with Magnesium OEM or aftermarket to significantly beat out the OEM aluminum wheels on the 4RS/SRS.


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Originally Posted by Westcoast
By variance I was thinking about the weight differences between the wheels of the same type, not CL versus 5-lug. I would have to dig up pictures but I didn't see much difference when I measured them.
I was just opining on the comment re: weight differences reported by you and K+ on the same wheel type.

Think K+ referencing his RS wheel, so would assume there to be small differences in the same design but accounting for different mounts
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Before spending in expensive wheels think (if you ever played volley or soccer) that a lighter ball bounce more...and OEM wheels are not heavy
actually 21" GT3 rear wheels are heavier,
i guess its all about hi/lo speed rebound settings

Question for experts is how a strut can be stressed (if any stress) by a 3/4 ways suspension , before cracking alà 991 RS....

maybe in this light a mag wheel real benefit is to let us play more with a strut suspension settings?

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