850tgul

I don't think it was PCNA calling BAT and forcing them to remove the listing but more likely they contacted the seller and told him if he goes through with the sale he will never get another allocation or something to that effect. Can't imagine PCNA would have any legal standing to stop someone from selling but they can simply refuse to offer another allocation in the future. Could be wrong, though.

These were the last comments from the seller...

"Sorry everyone. Didn’t think it would be an issue"
"Just got a call from Porsche"
"Looks like they are squashing this one as well"

This was BAT's explanation from the Turbo S listing that was stopped:

"bringatrailer
Hello all,

The seller of this 992 Turbo has informed us that Porsche North America is demanding this BaT auction be withdrawn. The owner of this car did not sign any agreement restricting its sale, but they are no longer comfortable selling the car after the communication received this week from Porsche.

The seller, @The_Dude_Abides , is a long-time member of the BaT community who has been a helpful partner in working through this situation. Neither of us want the winning bidder to be put in an awkward position once the auction closes, and so we have decided to withdraw the listing. We strongly dislike doing so, and we apologize for any inconvenience that this might cause.

It is interesting to see these manufacturer dynamics play out as the immediate resale market for certain limited-production models takes shape. We think the owner of a car should be able to sell that car as they see fit provided they are legally free to do so, but this approach has clearly ruffled some feathers. We will continue to offer exciting new vehicles as they come to market and will continue to do our best with vetting them carefully to make sure no sales restrictions are in place.

-BaT"

usctrojanGT3

Wow, that escalated quickly.

nineball

i wonder why the last one was allowed to complete but PCNA (supposedly) stopped this one? i just checked and it's still running, up to $205 now.

SpeedySpidey

I’m going to guess that the only thing Porsche or the dealership can legally do is somehow blacklist the seller.

Larry Cable

this!!! PCNA should simply starve such dealers of allocations if they charge ADM IMO or play other tricks like lowballing trade-ins and insisting on ED, e-bike or watch purchases...

ttcbj

Just got an email from BaT, they withdrew the listing.

Bents

Maybe they can also go after the flippers on rennlist

AlpineR

But it would be all fine and dandy for a dealer to resell it on their lot for a huge markup as a second hand car? Porsche, if it was them that had this car pulled, are hypocrites.

In Aus we get screwed on Porsche pricing, not the dealers markups etc, Porsche Australia rips us.

Puggz

Good point, but at least we can still "pop star" wrap it and not lose a future allocation... for now

SpeedySpidey

Apparently, it was the seller who nixed it…


Pasted from BaT:

bringatrailerHello all,

The owner of this car is no longer willing to honor his commitment to sell it to the winning bidder of this auction, so we decided to withdraw the listing. Before this auction began, we confirmed with the seller multiple times that he was free to sell this car as he pleased and that he would commit to seeing the auction through, even under pressure from Porsche. He assured us he would, however, this attitude changed after the auction began and he was contacted by Fort Meyers Porsche, who threatened him with being blacklisted from future allocations if he didn’t end his BaT auction. He now won’t sell the car to the winner, and so we had little choice but to end the auction.

We are disappointed about this outcome and did not want to end up where we have. We think the owner of a car should be able to sell that car as they see fit, provided they are legally free to do so. In this case the seller had even paid a significant markup on top of sticker price for this car. We apologize for any inconvenience and are curious to read the comments that will be posted about this withdrawal. We appreciate our community’s passion and thoughtfulness and are happy to hear how folks feel about the dynamics surrounding the immediate resale of limited-production models.

Thanks as always for your understanding and support.

-BaT

lilbza

Let's not forget our government....LCT to protect the local car manufacturing, that no longer exists.

GT Omologata

QED
I suppose that means that Fort Meyers then is a "no ADM" dealer ...otherwise you guys are really messed up in US.

0-Day

According to BringaTrailer's comments, the seller had paid ADM to Fort Meyers Porsche: "In this case the seller had even paid a significant markup on top of sticker price for this car."

disden

Porsche is aware of what’s going on. I was put on a secret warning list by Porsche as a possible broker because I was buying so many cars! When dealer gave me most recent allocation it triggered this warning to consider not selling me the car. My dealer contacted Porsche and had me removed from this warning system because I buy all my cars at same dealer and trade them back in as well. but it shows that Porsche does know and is trying to do something about it, so it seems. But suspect most dealers won’t care if offered big adm

worf928

First-sale doctrine in a non-copyright context.

Yep. Should be allowed to complete sale. But, then dealer/PCNA has the right to remove seller from consideration for future sales.

That might be more effective than killing auction.

IMO, making a habit of flipping cars at a big profit paints a target on the flipper. Flippers don’t add value to the process. They are simply the TicketMaster of the automotive world and as such will deservedly attract ire.