GT4 RS Allocation Thread
#1937
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That simple, no one can predict the future.
#1938
I foresee MSRP happening. I also foresee the gluttonous amount of 992 Gt3's going sub sticker quicker than you would believe. These small independent greaser dealers (think grand prix motors) are sinking so fast right now with the turning tides lowering values that they won't be able to feed the car frenzy of 2021 and 2022 anymore...They'll also most likely face a certain doom I don't wish upon them, but is going to be the reality given used car price index's almost certain collapse on top of high interest rates/carrying costs.
Sports car's are absolutely terrible terrible financial decisions, you will lose a lot of money buying, using and selling them. They are luxury goods, meant to be enjoyed. Once the posers who can't really afford these cars and greaser dealers unload their GT cars as the tide is going out, it will be wild how many are for sale.
GT cars are pretty much a dime a dozen at this point, RS included. Won't stop me from buying and enjoying them for years and years to come.
History repeats itself over and over, 2016 saw gt3rs for 100-150k over, 2019 saw gt3rs for 50k+ over....Both were 30k-50k under sticker by summer 2019. On top of sales tax, registration, insurance, then taking a 80-200k bath on depreciation, that is a true kick to the nuts. The ADM warriors (dealers in disguise + ADM suckas) will tell you this time is different... Your only decision is whether to believe them or not.
What's funny, is I believe a significant portion won't even want the GT4rs (or gt3) anymore once they get back down to sticker again. The hype train captures a lot of noobies that probably wouldn't be interested in the car to begin with (think rolex, no one gave a F when you could walk down and get whatever you wanted...)
Sports car's are absolutely terrible terrible financial decisions, you will lose a lot of money buying, using and selling them. They are luxury goods, meant to be enjoyed. Once the posers who can't really afford these cars and greaser dealers unload their GT cars as the tide is going out, it will be wild how many are for sale.
GT cars are pretty much a dime a dozen at this point, RS included. Won't stop me from buying and enjoying them for years and years to come.
History repeats itself over and over, 2016 saw gt3rs for 100-150k over, 2019 saw gt3rs for 50k+ over....Both were 30k-50k under sticker by summer 2019. On top of sales tax, registration, insurance, then taking a 80-200k bath on depreciation, that is a true kick to the nuts. The ADM warriors (dealers in disguise + ADM suckas) will tell you this time is different... Your only decision is whether to believe them or not.
What's funny, is I believe a significant portion won't even want the GT4rs (or gt3) anymore once they get back down to sticker again. The hype train captures a lot of noobies that probably wouldn't be interested in the car to begin with (think rolex, no one gave a F when you could walk down and get whatever you wanted...)
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welikethetrack (03-26-2023)
#1939
Here's the thing, people have been concerned about the economy and shouting up/down that this car and GT3's will be MSRP for about a year. Where are we now? GT3's still 50-60k over MSRP and 4RS's 65k+. You basically need to decide if paying the ADM you're paying will make or break you and if you're okay losing it in the next 1-3 years when you actually decide to sell the car.
That simple, no one can predict the future.
That simple, no one can predict the future.
In my market used prices of 992 GT3's are falling quickly as more and more come to the market with buyers unwilling to pay such a premium.
They probably won't go MSRP or below until the 992.1 comes out due to the high demand and carefully planned limited supply,
but it is evident that ADM's for 4RS are slowing with lots of heavily optioned 4RS going to US dealers because they couldn't get their 75-100k ADM months ago.
Hell even ADM's across GTS / GT4's plummeted with a fraction of MY23 output compared to previous years.
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welikethetrack (03-26-2023)
#1940
To be fair a year ago we thought the economy and unemployment would be much worse than it currently is.
In my market used prices of 992 GT3's are falling quickly as more and more come to the market with buyers unwilling to pay such a premium.
They probably won't go MSRP or below until the 992.1 comes out due to the high demand and carefully planned limited supply,
but it is evident that ADM's for 4RS are slowing with lots of heavily optioned 4RS going to US dealers because they couldn't get their 75-100k ADM months ago.
Hell even ADM's across GTS / GT4's plummeted with a fraction of MY23 output compared to previous years.
In my market used prices of 992 GT3's are falling quickly as more and more come to the market with buyers unwilling to pay such a premium.
They probably won't go MSRP or below until the 992.1 comes out due to the high demand and carefully planned limited supply,
but it is evident that ADM's for 4RS are slowing with lots of heavily optioned 4RS going to US dealers because they couldn't get their 75-100k ADM months ago.
Hell even ADM's across GTS / GT4's plummeted with a fraction of MY23 output compared to previous years.
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welikethetrack (03-26-2023)
#1942
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#1943
Despite my earlier comments, I do think the 4RS will never go to original MSRP price anywhere in the world unless there is either some major depression or they pump out enough supply to near demand.
#1944
#1945
2024 allocation available for 65k over msrp in the Northeast if anyone is interested.
Montana LLC ok
PTS should be back on the table for 2024 model
DM me if you want the broker's contact info.
Thanks!
Montana LLC ok
PTS should be back on the table for 2024 model
DM me if you want the broker's contact info.
Thanks!
#1946
i have a feeling we'll see 4RS stabilize around $250k...+/- a few grand depending on spec (ceramics/PTS/etc). my SA has an available landed PTS Yachting Blue car...ADM is $65k, and the sticker is around $210k, so looking at about $275k all-in. i doubt it'll stay at $275k forever, and i really doubt it'll ever be worth $210k...so it should stay somewhere in the middle my $0.02!
#1947
What will really be interesting to see what happens if what will the flooring lenders do? I believe that they will tighten things up which will force both franchised dealers and non-franchise dealers to sell their current inventory sooner rather than later. That will begin to put pressure on car prices. The banking industry is going to tighten up lending standards across the board, for both businesses and individuals.
Now managing Semi fixed and Variable expenses to maximize net profit as a percent of sales is an entirely different discussion, which I won't waste my time attempting to explain to you, as you view us as nothing more than Greasy Stealers.
FWIW, we are being offered 75K to purchase our Challenger Demon 170 allocation by other dealers. Not a Pcar, but if this fact {not a rumor, conjecture, opinion} helps anyone with the decision to pay or not pay an ADM, just thought I'd add the info to this post.
Another FWIW, we do not charge ADM's. Never have, never will. Selling the Demon to a local who will not flip.
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Porsche2014 (03-25-2023)
#1948
Weird as I cannot see a single 2024 982 model showing v200 in PVMS?
#1949
Here's the thing, people have been concerned about the economy and shouting up/down that this car and GT3's will be MSRP for about a year. Where are we now? GT3's still 50-60k over MSRP and 4RS's 65k+. You basically need to decide if paying the ADM you're paying will make or break you and if you're okay losing it in the next 1-3 years when you actually decide to sell the car.
That simple, no one can predict the future.
That simple, no one can predict the future.
Last edited by Puggz; 03-24-2023 at 12:04 PM.
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KLCC 88 (03-24-2023)
#1950
Couple additional points
1. Saw an article on Rennlist today claiming we'll see a significant price increase for all models for MY 24
2. I've heard that Porsche is scaling down / stopping production for GT4 and Spyder for MY24+. Not sure why. Maybe to support GT4 RS and Spyder RS production, maybe something else.
I just do not see GT4 RS (or even GT4) prices going down to MSRP. There is not enough time (or production) to make it happen. Just think of air cooled to water cooled switch for 911. This is similar but bigger, ICE -> Electric
1. Saw an article on Rennlist today claiming we'll see a significant price increase for all models for MY 24
2. I've heard that Porsche is scaling down / stopping production for GT4 and Spyder for MY24+. Not sure why. Maybe to support GT4 RS and Spyder RS production, maybe something else.
I just do not see GT4 RS (or even GT4) prices going down to MSRP. There is not enough time (or production) to make it happen. Just think of air cooled to water cooled switch for 911. This is similar but bigger, ICE -> Electric
Last edited by BlueGT4; 03-24-2023 at 04:40 PM.