The 718 Spyder RS Discussion Thread
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BrntRubber (11-17-2021)
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In the German interview, AP said that part of the reason why the GT4RS doesn't have a manual option is that they don't have a transmission that would work. The one from GT4 is too weak and the gearing is too long for a 9k engine and the one from GT3 doesn't fit (although we've heard that argument before ...).
That would mean no manual Spyder RS as they aren't going to develop a new one.
37:44 (German only)
https://youtu.be/gqcWMg3qggE?t=2264
That would mean no manual Spyder RS as they aren't going to develop a new one.
37:44 (German only)
https://youtu.be/gqcWMg3qggE?t=2264
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My SA said that this will be a regular production run car, not limited. For those that want one, they should be able to snag it with some effort (and cash).
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Originally Posted by Dan Nagy
My SA said that this will be a regular production run car, not limited. For those that want one, they should be able to snag it with some effort (and cash).
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Bummer MT is DOA. I know there is no good option, but was hoping AP would do some of that engineering **** and pull a rabbit out of his hat. The gt3 motor wasn't supposed to fit, either. Things are overly difficult only until someone decides they aren't.
We have a year and AP (and others) appear to check in on the public mode. MT outcry campaign, anyone? lol
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In the German interview, AP said that part of the reason why the GT4RS doesn't have a manual option is that they don't have a transmission that would work. The one from GT4 is too weak and the gearing is too long for a 9k engine and the one from GT3 doesn't fit (although we've heard that argument before ...).
That would mean no manual Spyder RS as they aren't going to develop a new one.
That would mean no manual Spyder RS as they aren't going to develop a new one.
Yeah, they are only making it for a year, right? Feels like it will still pretty limited in numbers, special edition or not.
Bummer MT is DOA. I know there is no good option, but was hoping AP would do some of that engineering **** and pull a rabbit out of his hat. The gt3 motor wasn't supposed to fit, either. Things are overly difficult only until someone decides they aren't.
We have a year and AP (and others) appear to check in on the public mode. MT outcry campaign, anyone? lol
Bummer MT is DOA. I know there is no good option, but was hoping AP would do some of that engineering **** and pull a rabbit out of his hat. The gt3 motor wasn't supposed to fit, either. Things are overly difficult only until someone decides they aren't.
We have a year and AP (and others) appear to check in on the public mode. MT outcry campaign, anyone? lol
Send AP an Instagram, no wait he reads the forums:
Hey Andy we want the option of a short gear ratio MT for the Spyder and we know that you do too!
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I'm not giving up on MT. I will keep plugging until the announcement. It may be in vain, but you have to stand for something!
You can't tell me the best part of that Evo 992 GT3 video with James(?) wasn't him double downshifting using heelntoe (and that was in an already epically edited and shot video full of amazing sounds and visuals). That **** fired me up; I don't know about you.
You can't tell me the best part of that Evo 992 GT3 video with James(?) wasn't him double downshifting using heelntoe (and that was in an already epically edited and shot video full of amazing sounds and visuals). That **** fired me up; I don't know about you.
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Don’t give up on the MT in the Spyder RS just yet.
When 718 came out with turbo flat4, they said flat 6 would not fit. And we got a 4.0 flat 6.
Then they said GT3 engine won’t fit in 718 and here we are, fit perfectly in the GT4 RS.
Now they said no manual transmission will work with GT3 engine in 718 RS, I don’t believe it. Don’t tell me that Porsche, the best engineering company in the world, can’t come up with a solution for that.
When 718 came out with turbo flat4, they said flat 6 would not fit. And we got a 4.0 flat 6.
Then they said GT3 engine won’t fit in 718 and here we are, fit perfectly in the GT4 RS.
Now they said no manual transmission will work with GT3 engine in 718 RS, I don’t believe it. Don’t tell me that Porsche, the best engineering company in the world, can’t come up with a solution for that.
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Don’t give up on the MT in the Spyder RS just yet.
When 718 came out with turbo flat4, they said flat 6 would not fit. And we got a 4.0 flat 6.
Then they said GT3 engine won’t fit in 718 and here we are, fit perfectly in the GT4 RS.
Now they said no manual transmission will work with GT3 engine in 718 RS, I don’t believe it. Don’t tell me that Porsche, the best engineering company in the world, can’t come up with a solution for that.
When 718 came out with turbo flat4, they said flat 6 would not fit. And we got a 4.0 flat 6.
Then they said GT3 engine won’t fit in 718 and here we are, fit perfectly in the GT4 RS.
Now they said no manual transmission will work with GT3 engine in 718 RS, I don’t believe it. Don’t tell me that Porsche, the best engineering company in the world, can’t come up with a solution for that.
OK, lets look at it this way they alluded to the fact that the GT3 engines was too much work to put in the 718 chassis, but here it is, they say that the current MT is too weak yet Deman and others put a 500HP beast together slip it into the 718 with a MT and make it work... The stronger gears and main shaft are already out there and that includes shorter ratios...
Send AP an Instagram, no wait he reads the forums:
Hey Andy we want the option of a short gear ratio MT for the Spyder and we know that you do too!![Big Grin](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Send AP an Instagram, no wait he reads the forums:
Hey Andy we want the option of a short gear ratio MT for the Spyder and we know that you do too!
![Big Grin](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Yeah, they are only making it for a year, right? Feels like it will still pretty limited in numbers, special edition or not.
Bummer MT is DOA. I know there is no good option, but was hoping AP would do some of that engineering **** and pull a rabbit out of his hat. The gt3 motor wasn't supposed to fit, either. Things are overly difficult only until someone decides they aren't.
We have a year and AP (and others) appear to check in on the public mode. MT outcry campaign, anyone? lol
Bummer MT is DOA. I know there is no good option, but was hoping AP would do some of that engineering **** and pull a rabbit out of his hat. The gt3 motor wasn't supposed to fit, either. Things are overly difficult only until someone decides they aren't.
We have a year and AP (and others) appear to check in on the public mode. MT outcry campaign, anyone? lol
"Ask Andreas Preuninger and he'll gladly tell you it was just an engineering problem that kept the GT3 boxer away from Caymans past. The 991-gen GT3 engine had a cast-aluminum dry sump oil tank that would not fit in a Cayman without major reengineering. But the new 992 -gen GT3 engine was designed with a composite dry-sump tank specifically designed to fit the Cayman."
So it seems that AP wasn't lying as the 992 engine is "different" and that he was referring to the 991.2 GT3 engine when it said the engine wouldn't fit. There you have it.
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Guys, keep in mind that when asked, the 991.2 GT3 was the current model. AP didn't put the 991.2 GT3 motor in the GT4 RS. He put the 992 GT3 motor in.
"Ask Andreas Preuninger and he'll gladly tell you it was just an engineering problem that kept the GT3 boxer away from Caymans past. The 991-gen GT3 engine had a cast-aluminum dry sump oil tank that would not fit in a Cayman without major reengineering. But the new 992 -gen GT3 engine was designed with a composite dry-sump tank specifically designed to fit the Cayman."
So it seems that AP wasn't lying as the 992 engine is "different" and that he was referring to the 991.2 GT3 engine when it said the engine wouldn't fit. There you have it.
"Ask Andreas Preuninger and he'll gladly tell you it was just an engineering problem that kept the GT3 boxer away from Caymans past. The 991-gen GT3 engine had a cast-aluminum dry sump oil tank that would not fit in a Cayman without major reengineering. But the new 992 -gen GT3 engine was designed with a composite dry-sump tank specifically designed to fit the Cayman."
So it seems that AP wasn't lying as the 992 engine is "different" and that he was referring to the 991.2 GT3 engine when it said the engine wouldn't fit. There you have it.
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MT, MT, MT...
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Adrift (11-17-2021)
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OK, lets look at it this way they alluded to the fact that the GT3 engines was too much work to put in the 718 chassis, but here it is, they say that the current MT is too weak yet Deman and others put a 500HP beast together slip it into the 718 with a MT and make it work... The stronger gears and main shaft are already out there and that includes shorter ratios...
Send AP an Instagram, no wait he reads the forums:
Hey Andy we want the option of a short gear ratio MT for the Spyder and we know that you do too!![Big Grin](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Send AP an Instagram, no wait he reads the forums:
Hey Andy we want the option of a short gear ratio MT for the Spyder and we know that you do too!
![Big Grin](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
'Robust" is not the word used to describe one of the main shaft options on offer...be careful with selection/expectations if pursuing shorter gear ration options.
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1. The Spyder RS will not be about setting laps times because it won't have the same swan neck rear wing and therefore anywhere near the same downforce needed to set the same blistering lap times as the GT4 RS.
2. The GT4 RS changed the rear quarter windows to become the air intakes for the engine and the side scoops were changed to feed cooling air to the engine compartment. If they put the 992 GT3 engine the Spyder, it obviously won't have the air intakes like the GT4 RS. My guess is if they put the 992 GT3 engine, the side scoops would still be used for air intake as well as engine compartment cooling. This could reduce the hp rating from 493 in the GT4 RS.
3. Since the Spyder (based on my assumptions above) won't be about setting the fastest lap times, it may be more directed towards setting an extremely elevated driving experience from the "regular" Spyder and therefore the 6MT may add to that experience and if the hp isn't too high, maybe the 6MT can handle the power and torque.
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And this would be why we want Porsche to engineer the solution...
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