Stop Sale on 718 GTS, Spyder & GT4
04-17-2021, 04:07 PM
#1546
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04-17-2021, 04:13 PM
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The recall lists Production dates of January 28th to March 4th. In our Canadian chat email we’ve been comparing V300 dates (exit production) and we range from February 02 to 18 so far. Some cars at port some at dealer. If it is the date you “ordered it at the dealer” what does that really mean? I ordered my car last October and got the allocation in December for a February build. Nevertheless, I’m sure they’re doing them in order, but order of production would make more sense to me.
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Westcoast (04-17-2021)
04-17-2021, 04:16 PM
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You just have one GM's opinion, and a fairly ill-defined one at that.
GM probably had fingers crossed behind their back, too
04-17-2021, 04:28 PM
#1550
For those concerned about depreciation, many cars are delivered just ahead of model change to the new year, just the way it goes. I have been on both sides of that equation, the best I did was getting my previous 2016 GTS in September of 2015, contrast this to getting my 2020 Spyder in July as opposed to March last year due to Covid-19 related delays, timing is never a guarantee with these cars.
Unless you are moving the car along within a year of delivery, 2-3 years along and this timing is a moot point.
Unless you are moving the car along within a year of delivery, 2-3 years along and this timing is a moot point.
04-17-2021, 04:48 PM
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Buyers care MUCH more about remaining warranty than about a model year. The MY21 in the above scenario (with its far superior engine warranty )will smoke the MY22 in the used car market.
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04-17-2021, 04:50 PM
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04-17-2021, 04:59 PM
#1553
Instructor
I am pretty happy with the package they put together. Not sure where my "order date" fits in to the pack of affected owners, but I am the first VIN listed in the range. If I get a definitive repair date, I will post it.
04-17-2021, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by StormRune;[url=tel:17372618
17372618[/url]]I feel really bad for those of you with affected cars in hand or in transit having to deal with this!
But now with the official letter that was posted containing this (see underline especially):
Has anyone gotten info on what this would imply for those of us with cars still with just build dates or still in V-070 status? I can't see them stopping production of all 4.0 cars until all of the replacement engines are made in late September. That would disrupt the supply chain for the rest of the components in the car. However, are they implying they are going to build these replacement engines in parallel with additional capacity just for engines until the replacements are caught up? Or are they slowing production of upcoming builds to use some of the engines for the replacements... which in a way doesn't seem fair to those waiting for replacements. Thoughts or intel?
But now with the official letter that was posted containing this (see underline especially):
Has anyone gotten info on what this would imply for those of us with cars still with just build dates or still in V-070 status? I can't see them stopping production of all 4.0 cars until all of the replacement engines are made in late September. That would disrupt the supply chain for the rest of the components in the car. However, are they implying they are going to build these replacement engines in parallel with additional capacity just for engines until the replacements are caught up? Or are they slowing production of upcoming builds to use some of the engines for the replacements... which in a way doesn't seem fair to those waiting for replacements. Thoughts or intel?
Consider the present circumstances. Porsche needs about 1,000 4.0 718 engines. Let’s assume they are going to prioritize that.
If they prioritize the replacement engines over new car production, everyone in the body shop will sit idle for a couple of weeks. Everyone on the new car assembly line will sit idle for a couple of weeks. The vendors supplying non-engine parts will sit idle for a couple of weeks. Spots on vehicle carriers that have been reserved will be empty.
New car production will continue as fast as the production line can churn out new cars. That’s not to say there won’t be delays. Between the pandemic, semiconductor shortage, and other supply chain issues, delays may occur. But Porsche is not stopping new car production for the connecting rod issue. That’s why it’s going to take five months to distribute the replacement engines.
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04-17-2021, 05:36 PM
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04-17-2021, 05:38 PM
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04-17-2021, 06:32 PM
#1557
The recall lists Production dates of January 28th to March 4th. In our Canadian chat email we’ve been comparing V300 dates (exit production) and we range from February 02 to 18 so far. Some cars at port some at dealer. If it is the date you “ordered it at the dealer” what does that really mean? I ordered my car last October and got the allocation in December for a February build. Nevertheless, I’m sure they’re doing them in order, but order of production would make more sense to me.
I think the order of production or planned delivery would make most sense, but the letter sent today does say order date:
"We will do our best to supply these engines according to each customer’s order date using a first-in, first-out principle."
Definitely could use some clarification, and on my list for conference call with my dealer on Monday.
In the meantime, if anyone wants to compare notes, my "V200" date was January 22. Original date for dealer inventory was April 16, and moved up a couple of times, eventually to March 26, before SHTF.
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04-17-2021, 06:33 PM
#1558
Burning Brakes
V070 would mean a Demand Order (aka: Clientele wanting to place an order, without an allocation). I would make an educated guess that your GM meant V200 or V250 (Fixed Date of Vehicle order). Or perhaps V300 would make more sense?
04-17-2021, 06:36 PM
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04-17-2021, 06:47 PM
#1560
The extended warranty in this case should offset some of this difference (I agree it's a differentiator), but on the other hand some (hopefully the minority) may not want a car that's had its engine replaced. Just thinking out loud here.