Neutral, meaning between 3 and 4. Frankly, it's just slowing the 1-2 shift and giving the synchro a chance to catch up. Yes, timing the loud pedal also works as that is essentially matching revs on the upshift, but that's what the synchro is supposed to do. I posted this earlier, but watch this review. He goes through neutral (and actually double-clutches) every shift; every gear. Skip to 1:26 for the first example.

 

Hate to break it to you, I felt the same way after a really fun track day about 8 weeks ago, the car definitely runs better after opening it up and the grind disappeared for a few weeks then I got 3 random 1-2 grinds (2 4 weeks ago and one last week)

 

What do you mean by this... anytime you are not in gear you are essentially in neutral.

As for double clutching, I almost always do it come down in gears but never going up, you shouldn't have to. The reviewer in the video obviously developed this as a habit on a transmission that required/benefits from that extra step and does it out of habit now.

 

I suppose anywhere that the car isn't in gear is neutral, but I think of neutral as being between 3 and 4 (i.e., when people accidentally leave/park the car "in neutral," the gear lever isn't between 1 and 2; it's between 3 and 4) . Either way, it doesn't matter. This whole exercise is merely to point out that I think we're getting the grind when we shift too quickly between 1 and 2 and "beat the synchro." That being said, even if you don't usually slam through the gears, you should be able to if you want to. These are $100k (+) performance cars. Every BMW and every Porsche I had before this could be shifted as hard as the driver wanted. Porsche needs to fix it.

 

Gotcha! Yes under those circumstances it rests there... and agree the second gear syncro seems weak in these cars, where it should by rights be one of the most capable given its requirements.

 

Yeah, that's moronic and totally unnecessary to avoid the grind. Who would drive like that all day?

Someone needs to tell him he's not driving a 74 MG.

 

Completely agree. I'm doing a "lite" version of that. No double clutching, but when I come out of first I allow the lever to slide to the right into "neutral" and then I go back to the left and down into 2nd. I do it all in one constant motion and relatively quickly. Alternatively, I think just hesitating for a breath between 1 and 2 will accomplish the same thing... the so called snick, snick style that others have mentioned. I'm not saying any of this is an acceptable solution or that Porsche is off the hook, but shifting this way has eliminated the grind for me and, more importantly, allowed me to enjoy the car again without the constant wonder of whether that particular 1-2 shift will be a grind shift.

 

I tried double clutching on the 1->2 shift. It doesn't stop the grind. The grind happens before the gate at 2.

 

Rev the car up to 5k in first, then clutch all the way to the floor, fully off the gas, pull gear shift lever out of first and against the gate into second (for a millisecond), then pull it into second. Do it rapidly but deliberately, and there will be no grind. Slam it straight back from first to second and you may get a grind, likely because you're not finding the gate precisely and/or you're not fully off the gas at the right timing. This gearbox demands preciseness between first and second, it's that simple.

 

I'll give this a try. Thank you! But I still contend this is not something we should have to deal with in cars of this caliber.

 

Correct statement: the syncros appear to be inadequately spec'd.

 

This did not seem to be an issue for earlier 718 years. Something changed in the production that is causing these issues. And based on the reports it is not 4.0 specific.

There is very few of these newer cars around, and only fraction of owners show up on rennlist.

 

What earlier years? The 718 GT4/ Spyder just came out in 2020 and those cars are well represented here.

 

This has been an issue going back to the 981 GT4. I'm not sure how much it affected the early 4 cylinder 982 cars, but I have seen owners of those cars discussing it as well.

Edit: Here is the 2016 discussion-- https://rennlist.com/forums/gt4-spyd...nd-update.html

 

Back in post 564 unclemat asked if anyone has a car that is completely grind-free. As far as I see, I’m the only one who posted yes! Can that really be the case? Granted not every GT4/Spyder owner is on this forum, but it’s still quite disconcerting. Can the OP turn this into a poll?