982 GT4 Spyder?
#1456
Agree with all of the below. You have to wonder when the "up the ante horsepower" with every model is going to end. And when the "amazing sound" of the NA motors will cease as well.
Much rather have lightweight and amazing sound than 525hp, 550hp, 575hp, etc Guess we'll see shortly whether GT4/Spyder still have the amazing sound and stay lightweight
seems kinda funny that I've had a Boxster (200hp, momentum car), Cayman S (295 hp, momentum car), Spyder (320hp, momentum car) and now GT4 (385 hp, momentum car)….you can never have enough horsepower!
the trend is in the opposite direction and I don't think it will be long before no more lightweight, no more amazing sound...it's called electric!
Much rather have lightweight and amazing sound than 525hp, 550hp, 575hp, etc Guess we'll see shortly whether GT4/Spyder still have the amazing sound and stay lightweight
seems kinda funny that I've had a Boxster (200hp, momentum car), Cayman S (295 hp, momentum car), Spyder (320hp, momentum car) and now GT4 (385 hp, momentum car)….you can never have enough horsepower!
the trend is in the opposite direction and I don't think it will be long before no more lightweight, no more amazing sound...it's called electric!
#1457
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Thread Starter
Agree with all of the below. You have to wonder when the "up the ante horsepower" with every model is going to end. And when the "amazing sound" of the NA motors will cease as well.
Much rather have lightweight and amazing sound than 525hp, 550hp, 575hp, etc Guess we'll see shortly whether GT4/Spyder still have the amazing sound and stay lightweight
seems kinda funny that I've had a Boxster (200hp, momentum car), Cayman S (295 hp, momentum car), Spyder (320hp, momentum car) and now GT4 (385 hp, momentum car)….you can never have enough horsepower!
the trend is in the opposite direction and I don't think it will be long before no more lightweight, no more amazing sound...it's called electric!
Much rather have lightweight and amazing sound than 525hp, 550hp, 575hp, etc Guess we'll see shortly whether GT4/Spyder still have the amazing sound and stay lightweight
seems kinda funny that I've had a Boxster (200hp, momentum car), Cayman S (295 hp, momentum car), Spyder (320hp, momentum car) and now GT4 (385 hp, momentum car)….you can never have enough horsepower!
the trend is in the opposite direction and I don't think it will be long before no more lightweight, no more amazing sound...it's called electric!
#1458
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I just don't get it. Isn't going lightweight one of the best ways to go "green" and "planet-friendly" which seems to be all the rage with current trends and regulations? What better way to "save the planet" than to have LESS mass to move around? Isn't it counterproductive (nay, retarded?) to make ever heavier cars with ever more HP which then have to be choked with particulate filters and make them sound like vacuum cleaners to make them "planet-friendly"? What am I missing?
#1459
The Greenest Car in the World
I just don't get it. Isn't going lightweight one of the best ways to go "green" and "planet-friendly" which seems to be all the rage with current trends and regulations? What better way to "save the planet" than to have LESS mass to move around? Isn't it counterproductive (nay, retarded?) to make ever heavier cars with ever more HP which then have to be choked with particulate filters and make them sound like vacuum cleaners to make them "planet-friendly"? What am I missing?
Fast forward the last decade. In response to global warming the public and politicians have legislated, especially in Europe, for automobile companies to become electric car companies. Many executives at Porsche have said to me, "we have no choice." Meanwhile, Porsche has "bet the farm" on the success of what is still an unproven technology in the real world. Are people really going to wait around at a communal table drinking coffee for a half hour while their car charges? And what about the charging station 150 miles west of Des Moines? Who pays for it? And the cost and environmental impact of the electricity to charge the car? And the toxic production of batteries? And the disposal of the batteries? And the value of your 5 year old car when the battery costs more than the car is worth? Meanwhile, lightweight composite materials keep stronger stronger and cheaper.
Over the years I've been asked "what is the greenest car in the world? Prius? Tesla?" I would tell them there is only one answer. A Porsche 911. No one ever throws one away. No one ever throws a part away, not even a broken part. It's far "greener" to drive your 12 year old 996 than to junk your 7 year old Tesla for a new one. The cost to the environment (and your wallet) of manufacturing and then re-manufacturing any product with a shorter life cycle is far more detrimental to the environment than a more sustainable product. But this is not the way it's going. Think of the battery degradation in your phone over two years. Last August I decided late on a Saturday to drive my 25 year old 964 Speedster across the US for a PCNA Cocktail party the following Thursday in Pebble Beach, California.. No special prep. 1/2 qt. of oil, check the tires, RainX on the wind screen and I'm ready. Early Monday I'm in the car in West Palm Beach and I'm at the party on Thursday. Two 1350 mile days. 137 mph as indicated on my radar detector. To me, this is green. Think of the true environmental cost of all the cars I didn't need to buy over 25 years. I hope that my 981 Spyder is still going strong and is serviceable in 25 years. I suggest that we consider that Quality = Sustainability = Green.
#1460
Addict
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I just don't get it. Isn't going lightweight one of the best ways to go "green" and "planet-friendly" which seems to be all the rage with current trends and regulations? What better way to "save the planet" than to have LESS mass to move around? Isn't it counterproductive (nay, retarded?) to make ever heavier cars with ever more HP which then have to be choked with particulate filters and make them sound like vacuum cleaners to make them "planet-friendly"? What am I missing?
#1461
Drifting
I just don't get it. Isn't going lightweight one of the best ways to go "green" and "planet-friendly" which seems to be all the rage with current trends and regulations? What better way to "save the planet" than to have LESS mass to move around? Isn't it counterproductive (nay, retarded?) to make ever heavier cars with ever more HP which then have to be choked with particulate filters and make them sound like vacuum cleaners to make them "planet-friendly"? What am I missing?
More airbags, more particulate filters, etc etc...
https://newsroom.porsche.com/fallbac...388-16349.html
Same reason why nobody can drive with their arm resting on the driver's door in their 981 anymore because the door height keeps getting higher because of crash safety.
#1462
Hasn't seen this posted.
Here's Our Best Look Yet at the Porsche 718 Cayman GT4
The new 718 Cayman GT4 is one of the most hotly anticipated cars expected from Porsche this year. The company revealed the racing version, the Clubsport, back in January, but we have yet to hear anything official on the road car. Thanks to these spy videos from the Nurburgring, though, we get to lay our eyes on a GT4 test car.
Though Porsche has yet to confirm any specs, the 718 Cayman GT4 is expected to retain the same flat-six engine layout as its predecessor. Coinciding with the Clubsport's announcement, we learned the GT4 road car will not be getting the race car's old 3.8-liter 911 Carrera S engine, but rather a different naturally aspirated six; most likely the 4.0-liter unit found in the current 911 GT3.
Judging by the time between shifts in this video, it seems this test car is sporting a manual transmission. It's expected a PDK will also be offered, just like in the GT3.
Porsche previously confirmed to us we'll see the final version of the car sometime in 2019. It's only a matter of time now.
https://youtu.be/6lZCXwj7wbc
The new 718 Cayman GT4 is one of the most hotly anticipated cars expected from Porsche this year. The company revealed the racing version, the Clubsport, back in January, but we have yet to hear anything official on the road car. Thanks to these spy videos from the Nurburgring, though, we get to lay our eyes on a GT4 test car.
Though Porsche has yet to confirm any specs, the 718 Cayman GT4 is expected to retain the same flat-six engine layout as its predecessor. Coinciding with the Clubsport's announcement, we learned the GT4 road car will not be getting the race car's old 3.8-liter 911 Carrera S engine, but rather a different naturally aspirated six; most likely the 4.0-liter unit found in the current 911 GT3.
Judging by the time between shifts in this video, it seems this test car is sporting a manual transmission. It's expected a PDK will also be offered, just like in the GT3.
Porsche previously confirmed to us we'll see the final version of the car sometime in 2019. It's only a matter of time now.
https://youtu.be/6lZCXwj7wbc
#1463
I just don't get it. Isn't going lightweight one of the best ways to go "green" and "planet-friendly" which seems to be all the rage with current trends and regulations? What better way to "save the planet" than to have LESS mass to move around? Isn't it counterproductive (nay, retarded?) to make ever heavier cars with ever more HP which then have to be choked with particulate filters and make them sound like vacuum cleaners to make them "planet-friendly"? What am I missing?
#1464
I'm in total agreement. Many years ago I was an auto emissions engineer. I always believed the environmental move forward was lighter vehicles combined with smaller more efficient internal combustion motors. Manufacturers have been trying to make electric cars work for a hundred plus years. So far it hasn't.
Fast forward the last decade. In response to global warming the public and politicians have legislated, especially in Europe, for automobile companies to become electric car companies. Many executives at Porsche have said to me, "we have no choice." Meanwhile, Porsche has "bet the farm" on the success of what is still an unproven technology in the real world. Are people really going to wait around at a communal table drinking coffee for a half hour while their car charges? And what about the charging station 150 miles west of Des Moines? Who pays for it? And the cost and environmental impact of the electricity to charge the car? And the toxic production of batteries? And the disposal of the batteries? And the value of your 5 year old car when the battery costs more than the car is worth? Meanwhile, lightweight composite materials keep stronger stronger and cheaper.
Over the years I've been asked "what is the greenest car in the world? Prius? Tesla?" I would tell them there is only one answer. A Porsche 911. No one ever throws one away. No one ever throws a part away, not even a broken part. It's far "greener" to drive your 12 year old 996 than to junk your 7 year old Tesla for a new one. The cost to the environment (and your wallet) of manufacturing and then re-manufacturing any product with a shorter life cycle is far more detrimental to the environment than a more sustainable product. But this is not the way it's going. Think of the battery degradation in your phone over two years. Last August I decided late on a Saturday to drive my 25 year old 964 Speedster across the US for a PCNA Cocktail party the following Thursday in Pebble Beach, California.. No special prep. 1/2 qt. of oil, check the tires, RainX on the wind screen and I'm ready. Early Monday I'm in the car in West Palm Beach and I'm at the party on Thursday. Two 1350 mile days. 137 mph as indicated on my radar detector. To me, this is green. Think of the true environmental cost of all the cars I didn't need to buy over 25 years. I hope that my 981 Spyder is still going strong and is serviceable in 25 years. I suggest that we consider that Quality = Sustainability = Green.
Fast forward the last decade. In response to global warming the public and politicians have legislated, especially in Europe, for automobile companies to become electric car companies. Many executives at Porsche have said to me, "we have no choice." Meanwhile, Porsche has "bet the farm" on the success of what is still an unproven technology in the real world. Are people really going to wait around at a communal table drinking coffee for a half hour while their car charges? And what about the charging station 150 miles west of Des Moines? Who pays for it? And the cost and environmental impact of the electricity to charge the car? And the toxic production of batteries? And the disposal of the batteries? And the value of your 5 year old car when the battery costs more than the car is worth? Meanwhile, lightweight composite materials keep stronger stronger and cheaper.
Over the years I've been asked "what is the greenest car in the world? Prius? Tesla?" I would tell them there is only one answer. A Porsche 911. No one ever throws one away. No one ever throws a part away, not even a broken part. It's far "greener" to drive your 12 year old 996 than to junk your 7 year old Tesla for a new one. The cost to the environment (and your wallet) of manufacturing and then re-manufacturing any product with a shorter life cycle is far more detrimental to the environment than a more sustainable product. But this is not the way it's going. Think of the battery degradation in your phone over two years. Last August I decided late on a Saturday to drive my 25 year old 964 Speedster across the US for a PCNA Cocktail party the following Thursday in Pebble Beach, California.. No special prep. 1/2 qt. of oil, check the tires, RainX on the wind screen and I'm ready. Early Monday I'm in the car in West Palm Beach and I'm at the party on Thursday. Two 1350 mile days. 137 mph as indicated on my radar detector. To me, this is green. Think of the true environmental cost of all the cars I didn't need to buy over 25 years. I hope that my 981 Spyder is still going strong and is serviceable in 25 years. I suggest that we consider that Quality = Sustainability = Green.
#1465
Rennlist Member
I'm in total agreement. Many years ago I was an auto emissions engineer. I always believed the environmental move forward was lighter vehicles combined with smaller more efficient internal combustion motors. Manufacturers have been trying to make electric cars work for a hundred plus years. So far it hasn't.
Fast forward the last decade. In response to global warming the public and politicians have legislated, especially in Europe, for automobile companies to become electric car companies. Many executives at Porsche have said to me, "we have no choice." Meanwhile, Porsche has "bet the farm" on the success of what is still an unproven technology in the real world. Are people really going to wait around at a communal table drinking coffee for a half hour while their car charges? And what about the charging station 150 miles west of Des Moines? Who pays for it? And the cost and environmental impact of the electricity to charge the car? And the toxic production of batteries? And the disposal of the batteries? And the value of your 5 year old car when the battery costs more than the car is worth? Meanwhile, lightweight composite materials keep stronger stronger and cheaper.
Over the years I've been asked "what is the greenest car in the world? Prius? Tesla?" I would tell them there is only one answer. A Porsche 911. No one ever throws one away. No one ever throws a part away, not even a broken part. It's far "greener" to drive your 12 year old 996 than to junk your 7 year old Tesla for a new one. The cost to the environment (and your wallet) of manufacturing and then re-manufacturing any product with a shorter life cycle is far more detrimental to the environment than a more sustainable product. But this is not the way it's going. Think of the battery degradation in your phone over two years. Last August I decided late on a Saturday to drive my 25 year old 964 Speedster across the US for a PCNA Cocktail party the following Thursday in Pebble Beach, California.. No special prep. 1/2 qt. of oil, check the tires, RainX on the wind screen and I'm ready. Early Monday I'm in the car in West Palm Beach and I'm at the party on Thursday. Two 1350 mile days. 137 mph as indicated on my radar detector. To me, this is green. Think of the true environmental cost of all the cars I didn't need to buy over 25 years. I hope that my 981 Spyder is still going strong and is serviceable in 25 years. I suggest that we consider that Quality = Sustainability = Green.
Fast forward the last decade. In response to global warming the public and politicians have legislated, especially in Europe, for automobile companies to become electric car companies. Many executives at Porsche have said to me, "we have no choice." Meanwhile, Porsche has "bet the farm" on the success of what is still an unproven technology in the real world. Are people really going to wait around at a communal table drinking coffee for a half hour while their car charges? And what about the charging station 150 miles west of Des Moines? Who pays for it? And the cost and environmental impact of the electricity to charge the car? And the toxic production of batteries? And the disposal of the batteries? And the value of your 5 year old car when the battery costs more than the car is worth? Meanwhile, lightweight composite materials keep stronger stronger and cheaper.
Over the years I've been asked "what is the greenest car in the world? Prius? Tesla?" I would tell them there is only one answer. A Porsche 911. No one ever throws one away. No one ever throws a part away, not even a broken part. It's far "greener" to drive your 12 year old 996 than to junk your 7 year old Tesla for a new one. The cost to the environment (and your wallet) of manufacturing and then re-manufacturing any product with a shorter life cycle is far more detrimental to the environment than a more sustainable product. But this is not the way it's going. Think of the battery degradation in your phone over two years. Last August I decided late on a Saturday to drive my 25 year old 964 Speedster across the US for a PCNA Cocktail party the following Thursday in Pebble Beach, California.. No special prep. 1/2 qt. of oil, check the tires, RainX on the wind screen and I'm ready. Early Monday I'm in the car in West Palm Beach and I'm at the party on Thursday. Two 1350 mile days. 137 mph as indicated on my radar detector. To me, this is green. Think of the true environmental cost of all the cars I didn't need to buy over 25 years. I hope that my 981 Spyder is still going strong and is serviceable in 25 years. I suggest that we consider that Quality = Sustainability = Green.
Although 8 year warranties on electric car batteries is the standard, the replacement cost is substantial. The current list price of a Chevy Bolt EV HV battery pack is $15,734.29 and the part number is 24285978, and then there's the installation cost. That's nearly 50% of its MSRP. So how much will buyers be willing to pay for an electric car when it's near its warranty expiration?
Electric Car-Owners Shocked: New Study Confirms EVs Considerably Worse For Climate Than Diesel Cars
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...te-diesel-cars
#1466
This really shouldn’t surprise anyone. Nuclear is actually the most “green” energy but most folks find that hard to believe.
https://quillette.com/2019/02/27/why...ve-the-planet/
https://quillette.com/2019/02/27/why...ve-the-planet/
#1467
Three Wheelin'
Originally Posted by hf1
Yep, as suspected all along...
Electric Car-Owners Shocked: New Study Confirms EVs Considerably Worse For Climate Than Diesel Cars
Electric Car-Owners Shocked: New Study Confirms EVs Considerably Worse For Climate Than Diesel Cars
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...te-diesel-cars
Nuclear reactor cars yes.
#1468
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The manufacturing process to make batteries is highly energy intensive which is the biggest issue. Recycling these batteries is also energy intensive. By the time you take all this into consideration gas engines are still more efficient although it took nearly 100 years to get there. So perhaps with time battery technology will improve assuming we continue down that path.
Hydrogen would be a great alternative for the environment but that process is also heavily underdeveloped.
Hydrogen would be a great alternative for the environment but that process is also heavily underdeveloped.
#1469
Burning Brakes
I agree with going lighter with cars as important, but we would need to increase public safety first. Speed limiting big rigs to 62 mph (like in Germany) would be a good start.