57staff

Sounds like you need to do a 3.8L swap.

2XIPA

Would be fun. However, I'd like to stay in the stock category for AX.

spyderphile

Hey Nick. Yes, I do plan to keep the 981, quite possibly for good! It would be very difficult to let it go! I'm thinking of some mods, such as swapping out the gears 1, 2 and 3. That alone should transform it dramatically in terms of driving experience.

I believe some forum members already have Gen 1 and 2; and, plan to get 982. So, they would be the one at the most enviable position to judge the progression. I did think about picking up a Gen 1. But, chose against it. I'm thinking something more hardcore! (will share later) The timeline to get the 982 is pushed out. I've slid myself down the list (from #1). I'm targeting the last MY. So, it's gonna be a LONG wait!!

Suicide Jockey

Nothing wrong with waiting. I suspect some folks keen on PTS may also be delaying their purchase in the hopes it becomes available at some point down the road. Until then, I guess you'll just have to scrape by and muddle through with the 981

spyderphile

Nick, one of the reasons to hold off is ..... PTS! As we know, Porsche is unpredictable with PTS. This could be my last new Porsche given the direction of imminent and sweeping changes! So, want to go out with a bang! If no PTS, I wouldn't mind settling for a standard color. Yeah, have to get by with an old 981 until then!!

Suicide Jockey

Good luck to you, Henry, and all those interested in PTS. Hope it works out. Something tells me your patience will be rewarded. Until then, plenty of time to peruse Rennbow!

Curious if you’re dead certain on the color you would pick (assuming it’s an available PTS color at the time). Don’t want to know the color, just how firm you are in your selection. Me, I’ve narrowed it down to three, but can never decide from there which I would go with if I ever became a PTS buyer.

Z356

Unfortunately, I don't like the looks of this. Normally Porsche leaves things unsaid. We don't
offer PTS now...but you never know. This time, they have started out with a very public statement.
I just don't like the tone of it...sounds sort of definite.






I don't know if you are asking of others. But me, I am pretty firm. It will be some shade of
'Green'.





Saludos,
Eduardo

Suicide Jockey

Oh ye of little faith!

Seriously though, you perhaps more than most here know the mercurial nature of PTS and how what seems certain never is, and vice versa. I agree that it is a bit ominous that for "ALL MONTHS" Porsche is declaring PTS to be unavailable, but note that this is for MY2020. It doesn't rule out the possibility, say, for MY2021 (assuming production will extend over multiple MYs as we keep hearing). Certainly doesn't paint a rosy picture for MY2020 and it seems from your comments that this is highly unusual, if not unprecedented, for Porsche to come out and declare at the outset of production that PTS is a no-go for an entire MY.

This really poses an unfortunate dilemma for you PTS folks. If you bank on PTS not being offered (ever) and pull the trigger early and then PTS does become available at some point down the road after MY2020, that would certainly hurt -- BAD. Conversely, if you wait and wait to order and remain on the sidelines in the hope PTS opens up, and it never does, you've lost some significant seat time in a 982 and maybe there are other negative consequences that one is exposed to by waiting that I can't think of right now off the top of my head.

If it were me and I wanted PTS, I'd wait. Even if the chances of PTS becoming available were slim/nil/remote after MY2020, I just know how horrible I would feel if I ordered a standard/optional color and then later the PTS opportunity presented itself. At that point, I would always look at my car with a proverbial jaundiced eye muttering under my breath " . . . if I had only waited . . . "

Any ideas, theories or speculation why Porsche would single out the GT4/Spyder for the ban on PTS? Anything about these models or where they are made (still a little confused about the shift in production facilities for certain models) that would warrant such disparate treatment? These are GT cars after all. We know the latest GT3's and Speedsters (that other GT product) have been offered with PTS (the former in much greater numbers than the later). Not sure if there are any take-aways or lessons to be gleaned from the PTS experience on both of these GT cars. I suspect probably not.

Maverick787

There was no PTS on the 991.2 GT3 RS which was shocking.

MidEngineRules

Taycan production could be affecting other decisions as they divert resources.

Z356

Actually you are quite right. I am loosing faith in Porsche.
That is exactly what is happening. They should NOT treat
customers like they do re: PTS. They had years to change
procedures, establish new logistics, invest in needed capacity
and offer fulfillment & customer satisfaction on an option that
they have offered customers since the 1950's. This is not
rocket science. And even if it was, the Germans know a
thing of two in that field - the V1, V2 and (in later versions
with US supervision) the Saturn V rockets come to mind.
So what is holding them back at the leading engineering
automotive company in Germany from planning & delivering
a PTS product that is efficiently managed, reasonably priced
and available on demand?



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That is not the advice I would give. If you have an early
allocation (like I do), I am going to spec a car with one of
the few colors they give us & put in in my garage. If PTS
is announced at some point in the future, have an arrangement
with your Porsche dealer that you'll trade the car in to him
if he can get you an allocation for PTS. If demand for the
car is pretty high & the dealer can sell it at a profit, you
might even be able to get MSRP. If the market is not as
hot for this car as expected, then you might take a little
loss. But nothing comparable to the depreciation you
would have experienced in any other non-GT 992 or
718 model. That is what I think is the best strategy to
follow...and one that I will probably follow.



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As Maverick pointed out, Porsche messed up PTS for the
.2 991 gt3 RS that just completed production. And a few
years earlier, some Porsche country importers were so
discouraged by the complicated PTS process that, for
example, Porsche UK negotiated with PAG that they
would refrain from offering PTS in the .2 gt3 for their
British clients if Porsche could guarantee them more
standard color gt3 allocations. So the UK customers
got shafted. Remember that the UK's Shmee150 had
his PTS .2 gt3 (Gelbgrun) ordered at a dealer in continental
Europe & not Britain. For the .2 991 gt3 PCNA managed
to get the bulk of the PTS production. That was noteworthy
...but possibly not to be duplicated ever again. The other
Porsche markets took notice & they were not happy that
PAG gave the US so much & let them have the short end
of the stick. Then right after that brief respite of happy PTS
customers in North America, PAG lowered the boom on
the option for the .2 991 gt3 RS. This instrument best
describes PTS at Porsche:


And a bit further back, we all know the disaster re: PTS
of the .1 991 gt3 when PAG declared a moratorium on
all MY2015 models, only to allow a few at the end of
production (remember the 'Signal Green','Fashion Grey'
& 'Arena Red' at 10@). Porsche in MY2015 also honored
some of the PTS MY2014 orders that were cancelled due
to the 'stop-sale'. But PTS was scarce in 14' & 15'. And
then, true to the yo-yo analogy, Porsche did NOT allowed
anyone to order PTS for the MY2016 .1 991 gt3!

So all of this is said to point out that PTS is still a royal
mess at Porsche. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise,
specially those voices at other Rennlist forums that
claim that everyone that wanted PTS got, or is getting,
PTS! That is a lot of this meat product:



*
In the case of the new 718 Spyder & gt4, Porsche is
shifting production to the old Karmann plant in Osnabrück
that is now part of the VW group. The paint facility at
that location is more than capable of doing PTS. In
fact, PTS 981 gt4s were painted & assembled there.
Porsche has been planning for the 718 Spyder/gt4 for
years so they had plenty of time to orchestrate the
logistics of PTS paint at Osnabrück so that they could
satisfy the demand THEY knew would be there for
that option. Yet they didn't do it. I say shame on
them. And shame on us for still coming back for
more at Porsche. As luck would have it, there are
now other manufacturers out there competing for
the money we will spend on fun sport cars. And
sooner than later Porsche will pay a heavy price
for frustrating the expressed will of their clients
that have first demanded, then begged them, for
PTS. And Porsche's answer: 'No Soup For You!'



Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale

spyderphile

Thanks, Nick. I've spent a lot of time looking and thinking through the colors. My list has 5 colors. All are approved. So, I should get a hit on the first choice. If not, the sales manager can go down the list without asking me. Agree, picking a color from a long list of vivid options is hard! As we know, color is very critical element of a highly desirable sports car like Spyder. With it's striking lines and design cues, the Spyder is very color-sensitive, in my view.

Correct. For MY20, PTS is out. Unlikely to change. For '21, we'll know by mid-summer of next year. I'm equally anxious to know the last MY. Is it '21 or '22? We should start seeing prototypes of the next gen platform by next year. My gut feeling is that we might see a truncated production run in '22.

Z356

It is almost mid-August. I have seen a report by Donavan in the 718 forum that he heard
of two 718 Spyder slots being allocated in the past few days or weeks. Can he (or any other
that knows of an actual 718 Spyder slot allocated to an actual client in the US) please post
what he/she/it know? Were these allocations given to large volume mega Porsche dealers
(e.g. Champion) or mid-size ones like Porsche Beaverton/Sunset Motors?



Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale

n4v4nod

Heard from a friend that Porsche San Diego received at least on allocation... the other was from Canada:

n4v4nod

Btw... could this be a good indication for potential PTS for the Spyder?