Mission R = Cayman E
09-29-2021, 01:12 PM
#91
Racer
Let's go back a little further: the government came up with very aggressive CAFE standards in the 70's that forced auto makers into producing small, flimsy, lightweight, and under-powered vehicles in an attempt to meet those fuel economy goals. No one really liked those cars, especially when you couldn't fit a family with three kids (or your kids and the neighbors' kids) in a single vehicle to go to football or baseball practice. IIHS also started doing significant crash testing, which revealed that these small, flimsy, lightweight, and under-powered vehicles did very poorly in many common accident scenarios, but especially ones that involved larger vehicles like pickup trucks and SUVs. It's at this point that the nation pivoted and started buying SUVs en masse—they had the power, space, and safety that the crappy econoboxes lacked because they were exempt from the CAFE standards. It was the "soccer moms" who switched from Dodge Caravans to SUVs, and those SUVs were definitely safer than the Dodge Omnis of the day.
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09-29-2021, 11:00 PM
#92
Crosstrek makes ~150hp to 180hp, most expensive Rogue makes ~180hp. Driveline, brakes, and suspension scale.
Gussied up appliances. Bet they can offroad with the best of the Honda Accords.
09-30-2021, 08:20 AM
#93
Rennlist Member
as you pointed out we are talking ~650lbs / ~3650lbs total. given the 911 currently has weights from 3,354lbs to 3,790lbs i think porsche can handle the slight bump in weight without sacrificing performance despite your reasoning...
nope, nothing that suncoast did. it is a problem that 2017 cayman S models have, no other versions (at least none have been reported). it happens to me with regularity and i've added the 3rd rad and the updated servo temp sensor. i can't go more than 20 mins of pushing it on track before it sets in like clockwork. temps never got over 71F this weekend at mid-ohio and it happened every single run. in real world stats i lost approximately 30mph at the braking zone of the back straight when the heat soak had set in (typically hit 142mph, could only get to 112-113mph max).
nope, nothing that suncoast did. it is a problem that 2017 cayman S models have, no other versions (at least none have been reported). it happens to me with regularity and i've added the 3rd rad and the updated servo temp sensor. i can't go more than 20 mins of pushing it on track before it sets in like clockwork. temps never got over 71F this weekend at mid-ohio and it happened every single run. in real world stats i lost approximately 30mph at the braking zone of the back straight when the heat soak had set in (typically hit 142mph, could only get to 112-113mph max).
10-06-2021, 12:06 AM
#94
Instructor
New Road & Track article about the upcoming electric 718:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...-core-battery/
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...-core-battery/
10-06-2021, 03:56 PM
#95
New Road & Track article about the upcoming electric 718:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...-core-battery/
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...-core-battery/
The center of gravity is going to be higher than in the "skateboard" design, but since the battery sits only behind the seats, they don't have to protect the whole underbody from the intrusion, saving some weight.
There is a reason why most of the manufacturing rushing to embrace electric design: more flexible packaging. It is in fact much cheaper to design and build a car without worrying about exhaust, transmission, fuel lines, etc. etc., but you can still charge extra for it by slapping LED displays everywhere and calling it "FutRIStiC!". And judging from the Taycan sales numbers, people swallow it hook, line and sinker.
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10-09-2021, 04:37 PM
#96
What a bunch of BS. "By putting battery where the engine used to be, we are staying true to our race car heritage!" Are the going to build an electric 911 with all the batteries behind the rear axle?
The center of gravity is going to be higher than in the "skateboard" design, but since the battery sits only behind the seats, they don't have to protect the whole underbody from the intrusion, saving some weight.
There is a reason why most of the manufacturing rushing to embrace electric design: more flexible packaging. It is in fact much cheaper to design and build a car without worrying about exhaust, transmission, fuel lines, etc. etc., but you can still charge extra for it by slapping LED displays everywhere and calling it "FutRIStiC!". And judging from the Taycan sales numbers, people swallow it hook, line and sinker.
The center of gravity is going to be higher than in the "skateboard" design, but since the battery sits only behind the seats, they don't have to protect the whole underbody from the intrusion, saving some weight.
There is a reason why most of the manufacturing rushing to embrace electric design: more flexible packaging. It is in fact much cheaper to design and build a car without worrying about exhaust, transmission, fuel lines, etc. etc., but you can still charge extra for it by slapping LED displays everywhere and calling it "FutRIStiC!". And judging from the Taycan sales numbers, people swallow it hook, line and sinker.
10-11-2021, 11:40 AM
#97
Burning Brakes
What a bunch of BS. "By putting battery where the engine used to be, we are staying true to our race car heritage!" Are the going to build an electric 911 with all the batteries behind the rear axle?
The center of gravity is going to be higher than in the "skateboard" design, but since the battery sits only behind the seats, they don't have to protect the whole underbody from the intrusion, saving some weight.
There is a reason why most of the manufacturing rushing to embrace electric design: more flexible packaging. It is in fact much cheaper to design and build a car without worrying about exhaust, transmission, fuel lines, etc. etc., but you can still charge extra for it by slapping LED displays everywhere and calling it "FutRIStiC!". And judging from the Taycan sales numbers, people swallow it hook, line and sinker.
The center of gravity is going to be higher than in the "skateboard" design, but since the battery sits only behind the seats, they don't have to protect the whole underbody from the intrusion, saving some weight.
There is a reason why most of the manufacturing rushing to embrace electric design: more flexible packaging. It is in fact much cheaper to design and build a car without worrying about exhaust, transmission, fuel lines, etc. etc., but you can still charge extra for it by slapping LED displays everywhere and calling it "FutRIStiC!". And judging from the Taycan sales numbers, people swallow it hook, line and sinker.
These new EV's are trying so hard to be hip/unique/trendy - with recycled whale ***** foreskin headliners and patchouli scented instrument clusters, each manufacturer trying to outdo the other for gimmicky non-sense "features". I personally don't want a cardboard interior if I pay $50k+ for a car, I want leather and stitching and not a dashboard made out of melted bottle caps from the pacific ocean. Strip away all of the nonsense and these cars (maybe Taycan notwithstanding) all drive the same, overweight and understeering bloated pigs that are a one-trick pony - such a bore to drive. I had a Taycan loaner when I had some service done on my 911 and had it for 2 days and it wasn't fun outside of a couple accelerations, and the infotainment completely froze on me from the start of a trip until I returned the car (I couldn't do anything) - who wants to deal with this nonsense? If a car fails at its most basic of functions, is it even still a car? This is also why I read books, don't have social media, collect mechanical watches (apple watches are kids toys made for a landfill), and know how to have authentic face to face conversation with real humans - and I'm not even 40 yet.
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02-14-2022, 08:54 AM
#99
At 35 years old, reading you guys on this forum helps remind me that most people here must be twice my age.
I bet you fought seatbelts when they came out and opt not to wear them.
Solid state batteries are already here and testing, they are lightweight and an electric car with one can possible weigh LESS than a traditional ICE.
Right now, it’s energy density of said solid state batteries that are being worked on, which will come with time like all technologies.
Rest assured, this is still a few years away before an electric Porsche sports car and you’ll most likely be dead of old age anyways.
I bet you fought seatbelts when they came out and opt not to wear them.
Solid state batteries are already here and testing, they are lightweight and an electric car with one can possible weigh LESS than a traditional ICE.
Right now, it’s energy density of said solid state batteries that are being worked on, which will come with time like all technologies.
Rest assured, this is still a few years away before an electric Porsche sports car and you’ll most likely be dead of old age anyways.
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02-14-2022, 01:59 PM
#100
"References" are for boomers.
We now live in a post-factual society. It is not important for EVs to actually BE lighter than regular cars, it is important to BELIEVE that they could be lighter. I recently realized that it is pointless to use facts and science, and "references" to argue with these types.
'You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place.' - Jonathan Swift
We now live in a post-factual society. It is not important for EVs to actually BE lighter than regular cars, it is important to BELIEVE that they could be lighter. I recently realized that it is pointless to use facts and science, and "references" to argue with these types.
'You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place.' - Jonathan Swift