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I said I never wanted a black car again but that one is so nice that I would consider it - it is metallic which is much easier to take care of.
It is surprising how many guys want manual when looking at preowned but so few are ordered new. Seems that the manuals are worth at least as much as PDKs.
I said I never wanted a black car again but that one is so nice that I would consider it - it is metallic which is much easier to take care of.
It is surprising how many guys want manual when looking at preowned but so few are ordered new. Seems that the manuals are worth at least as much as PDKs.
I said I never wanted a black car again but that one is so nice that I would consider it - it is metallic which is much easier to take care of.
It is surprising how many guys want manual when looking at preowned but so few are ordered new. Seems that the manuals are worth at least as much as PDKs.
PDKs get pushed by the dealers IMO. I doubt it's the $4K, it's just that anyone can drive it. It's rare to see a spec MT 991 (or 981, but more of those) almost anywhere.
A LOT of people in the high earning years demographic never learned how to drive a manual, or so it seems.
My kids grew up with some 911 in the garage most of their time living at home and neither had any interest in learning how to drive the cars. They're both in their 30s now and my son (Cayenne and A6) can "barely wait" for self driving cars to work reliably well. My daughter drives a Prius.
I tried, believe me.
It is surprising how many guys want manual when looking at preowned but so few are ordered new. Seems that the manuals are worth at least as much as PDKs.
You know, I was just thinking about that. All that saying "hey you Rennlisters are not the typical buyers. Whatever you want, specifically, won't fly in the market". Normally we can't verify that, because what they don't offer we can't prove would sell if it was.
But let's look at some options popular and unpopular with us here, and observe how the general public likes them, as expressed in prices for used cars:
$3000 PDK - value evaporates
$12000 for convertible - evaporates (Targa does better but has rarity)
$3800 full leather - so-so, seems to make the car sell fester, not higher
Aerokit Cup - great investment, very expensive used and they sell
PASM and SPASM - great investment
Sport design steering wheel - investment comes back manyfold
PTS and really cool colors - great investment
The way I read used car prices and what we observe how they sell I'd say we represent the general public a lot better than we normally get credit for.
I do not see why the overall percentage of buyers in the market for used manuals would be much different from the percentage of buyers in the market for new manuals.
But let's look at some options popular and unpopular with us here, and observe how the general public likes them, as expressed in prices for used cars:
$3000 PDK - value evaporates
$12000 for convertible - evaporates (Targa does better but has rarity)
$3800 full leather - so-so, seems to make the car sell fester, not higher
Aerokit Cup - great investment, very expensive used and they sell
PASM and SPASM - great investment
Sport design steering wheel - investment comes back manyfold
PTS and really cool colors - great investment
I mostly agree as long as one keeps in mind it's the combination of options rather than any particular one in isolation. For example a PTS car with few or an odd combo of options likely won't enjoy much of a premium.
This thread has been a great information source, thank you STG!
I've been a lurker and rare poster and have learned a ton in here. I checked out a car today and pulled the trigger on the spot, a bit more emotional than normal but this one checked my boxes. 2013 C4S with 8700 miles. I know the red interior is not for all, but it is for me :P .
Last edited by ieatfishburritos; 09-25-2016 at 03:11 AM.
I can spot it on cars on the lot. An almost 1/2" (.394" actual) wheel gap difference is significant.
And apparently you aren't the only one based on the following excerpt about visual acuity:
A reference value above which visual acuity is considered normal is called 6/6 vision, the USC equivalent of which is 20/20 vision: At 6 meters or 20 feet, a human eye with that performance is able to separate contours that are approximately 1.75 mm apart.
And apparently you aren't the only one based on the following excerpt about visual acuity:
A reference value above which visual acuity is considered normal is called 6/6 vision, the USC equivalent of which is 20/20 vision: At 6 meters or 20 feet, a human eye with that performance is able to separate contours that are approximately 1.75 mm apart.
10mm is about a 5.7x larger contour separation.
I think it is easier than that since the horizontal wheel gap is also there and serves as a reference.
I am more concerned about variations in effective curb weight, including tank fill and uneven ground, which might throw off the visuals.
This thread has been a great information source, thank you STG! I've been a lurker and rare poster and have learned a ton in here. I checked out a car today and pulled the trigger on the spot, a bit more emotional than normal but this one checked my boxes. 2013 C4S with 8700 miles. I know the red interior is not for all, but it is for me :P .
09-24-2016, 05:03 AM
